[NSRCA-dist8] Judging question

[alan wellentin]

"The half square finishes when the horizontal line equals 1/2 the vertical line"  
 
With the above statement being true, most should be limiting the height of their 1/2 square loops.  I've seen, judged and flown some very tall 1/2 squares, if that top horizontal line is judged for half of the height of the vertical, there are times that the 2 point deduction for "no entry line" will be showing up a bit more often.  
 
Mikes quote "I crossed center circled around to the right" I would think that both the turnaround and the center would be zeroed.  The way I interpret his description, he crossed center did a 180 degree turn, crossed center again in the opposite direction, did another 180 degree turn, rolled to the proper orientation and then flew to the other side of the box.  Did the center even happen?  Even if it did, crossing center and then turning back would be enough to zero the center maneuver.  Did I interpret it wrong?  
 
My .02 cents.
Alan

From: J N Hiller <jnhiller at earthlink.net>
To: "AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY" <nsrca-dist8 at lists.nsrca.org> 
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-dist8] Judging question


I guess I'm late with this, club picnic today.
 
The half square finishes when the horizontal line equals 1/2 the vertical line. This is where I would stop judging the half square and only downgrade the line if it was improper. The issue in question is where do you consider you finished the half square, after the radius or after the top line. 
 
"After I finish the 1/2 square I got totally disorientated" 
 
If the separation line is out of shape I believe the downgrade belongs to the next maneuver (square loop from the top).
I would not downgrade any flying around necessary to get back into the proper entry for the next turnaround, as this would be double jeopardy after zeroing the square loop. 
 
I didn't know for sure which maneuver, previous or pending, should get a separation line downgrade if needed. I couldn't find my test score sheets to see what if anything may be different but here's what I found in the rules, (Page 14).
 
Lines: All aerobatic maneuvers are started and ended by a horizontal line. When no line is flown between two (2) scored maneuvers, the upcoming maneuver should be downgraded by two (2) points. If no defined line is flown at the exit of a maneuver and it is the last maneuver flown prior to landing, then a two (2) point deduction should be given to the maneuver just completed. 
 
I assume the intent is straight and level flight, wings level parallel to the flight line. Depth correction here is a no-no but may be the lesser of evils and necessary to salvage the upcoming maneuver. 
 
Once again a long answer to a simple question, or should I say nothing is as simple as it seams.
Jim
 
 
 
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Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 2:12 PM
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Subject: [NSRCA-dist8] Judging question
 
I was out practicing today and totally screwed up a maneuver.  After the flight one of my flying buddies asked how it would of been scored. I didn't know and for the benefit of the group I'm asking here on the list.
 
Flying intermediate I came into the 4th maneuver "1/2 square loop exit inverted" .  After I finish the 1/2 square I got totally disorientated flying upside down to center for the "Square loop from top". By the time I get to center, I am right side up, climbing and headed out at about a 45 degree angle to my line. I crossed center circled around to the right, backtracking; just before getting back to center I rolled inverted flew to the other (box) corner and continued with the half loop. 
 
I realize the square from the top gets a zero. My question is are points deducted from the half loop because I crossed center and circled back around?
 
Mike
 
 
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