[NSRCA-dist8] Judging question

[J N Hiller]

Yah masters and FAI need to use the full box 150 m out to get enough room.

Since I don't fly dual rates I've set significantly more left roll to speed
up the two point and full roll half squares. A late entry / finish of a
preceding center maneuver almost guarantees a down grade or box violation.
Sometimes the maneuver can be salvaged by flying a small radius leaving more
room for the entry line.

With respect to the intermediate there is plenty of room on top as the
square loop starts with the first radius well past center. The crunch is on
the bottom with an often off center late finishing preceding two rolls,
usually a result of not positioning the previous turnaround (stall turn with
full roll) near the box boundary. This is often due to being impatient after
finishing the reverse cuban-eight well before box center, especially if
flying into wind. This is the only real crunch in the sequence.
A late finishing half roll opposite can get tight against the humpty with
option if flown in line with large radiuses (3-radiuses wide). The width
requirement can be to one radius using the 1/4 roll option.

The pull-push-pull humpty following the cobra roll is also 3-R wide but
starts with the first R near the far side of the maneuver, 2-R into it.

In advanced the crunch comes with late finishing 4-point and slow rolls,
both followed by half squares with roll elements.

This unforgiving positioning requirement is what makes turnaround pattern
interesting and challenging. As we advance in class positioning gets more
critical along with more demanding geometry and intermediate is a big step
up from sportsman.

Oh by the way I remember a lot of discussion regarding the two rolls in
intermediate not being enough, some thought there should have been three
rolls.

I hope some find this as interesting as I do.
I'm much more interested in how to fly it than judge it.
Jim



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[mailto:nsrca-dist8-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of alan wellentin
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 8:51 PM
To: AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-dist8] Judging question

"The half square finishes when the horizontal line equals 1/2 the vertical
line"

With the above statement being true, most should be limiting the height of
their 1/2 square loops.  I've seen, judged and flown some very tall 1/2
squares, if that top horizontal line is judged for half of the height of the
vertical, there are times that the 2 point deduction for "no entry line"
will be showing up a bit more often.

Mikes quote "I crossed center circled around to the right" I would think
that both the turnaround and the center would be zeroed.  The way I
interpret his description, he crossed center did a 180 degree turn, crossed
center again in the opposite direction, did another 180 degree turn, rolled
to the proper orientation and then flew to the other side of the box.  Did
the center even happen?  Even if it did, crossing center and then turning
back would be enough to zero the center maneuver.  Did I interpret it wrong?

My .02 cents.
Alan



From: J N Hiller <jnhiller at earthlink.net>
To: "AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY" <nsrca-dist8 at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-dist8] Judging question



I guess I'm late with this, club picnic today.

The half square finishes when the horizontal line equals 1/2 the vertical
line. This is where I would stop judging the half square and only downgrade
the line if it was improper. The issue in question is where do you consider
you finished the half square, after the radius or after the top line.

"After I finish the 1/2 square I got totally disorientated"

If the separation line is out of shape I believe the downgrade belongs to
the next maneuver (square loop from the top).
I would not downgrade any flying around necessary to get back into the
proper entry for the next turnaround, as this would be double jeopardy after
zeroing the square loop.

I didn't know for sure which maneuver, previous or pending, should get a
separation line downgrade if needed. I couldn't find my test score sheets to
see what if anything may be different but here's what I found in the rules,
(Page 14).

Lines: All aerobatic maneuvers are started and ended by a horizontal line.
When no line is flown between two (2) scored maneuvers, the upcoming
maneuver should be downgraded by two (2) points. If no defined line is flown
at the exit of a maneuver and it is the last maneuver flown prior to
landing, then a two (2) point deduction should be given to the maneuver just
completed.

I assume the intent is straight and level flight, wings level parallel to
the flight line. Depth correction here is a no-no but may be the lesser of
evils and necessary to salvage the upcoming maneuver.

Once again a long answer to a simple question, or should I say nothing is as
simple as it seams.
Jim



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From: nsrca-dist8-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-dist8-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of astropuppy
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 2:12 PM
To: nsrca-dist8
Subject: [NSRCA-dist8] Judging question

I was out practicing today and totally screwed up a maneuver.  After the
flight one of my flying buddies asked how it would of been scored. I didn't
know and for the benefit of the group I'm asking here on the list.

Flying intermediate I came into the 4th maneuver "1/2 square loop exit
inverted" .  After I finish the 1/2 square I got totally disorientated
flying upside down to center for the "Square loop from top". By the time I
get to center, I am right side up, climbing and headed out at about a 45
degree angle to my line. I crossed center circled around to the right,
backtracking; just before getting back to center I rolled inverted flew to
the other (box) corner and continued with the half loop.

I realize the square from the top gets a zero. My question is are points
deducted from the half loop because I crossed center and circled back
around?

Mike




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