<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" class=yiv578646267EmailStyle15><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">"The half square finishes when the horizontal line equals 1/2 the vertical line" </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></div>
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<div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" class=yiv578646267EmailStyle15><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">With the above statement being true, most should be limiting the height of their 1/2 square loops. I've seen, judged and flown some very tall 1/2 squares, if that top horizontal line is judged for half of the height of the vertical, there are times that the 2 point deduction for "no entry line" will be showing up a bit more often. </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></div>
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<div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" class=yiv578646267EmailStyle15><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto"><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Mikes quote "<FONT color=#000000 size=3 face="Times New Roman">I crossed center circled around to the right" <FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>I would think that both the turnaround and the center would be zeroed. The way I interpret his description, he crossed center did a 180 degree turn, crossed center again in the opposite direction, did another 180 degree turn, rolled to the proper orientation and then flew to the other side of the box. Did the center even happen? Even if it did, crossing center and then turning back would be enough to zero the center maneuver. Did I interpret it wrong? </FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></div>
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<div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto"><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial><FONT color=#000000 size=3 face="Times New Roman"><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>My .02 cents.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></div>
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<div class=yiv578646267MsoNormal><SPAN class=yiv578646267EmailStyle15><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I guess I'm late with this, club picnic today.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></div>
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<div class=yiv578646267MsoNormal><SPAN class=yiv578646267EmailStyle15><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">The half square finishes when the horizontal line equals 1/2 the vertical line. This is where I would stop judging the half square and only downgrade the line if it was improper. The issue in question is where do you consider you finished the half square, after the radius or after the top line. </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></div>
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<div class=yiv578646267MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">"After I finish the 1/2 square I got totally disorientated" </SPAN></FONT><SPAN class=yiv578646267EmailStyle15><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></div>
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<div class=yiv578646267MsoNormal><SPAN class=yiv578646267EmailStyle15><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">If the separation line is out of shape I believe the downgrade belongs to the next maneuver (square loop from the top).</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></div>
<div class=yiv578646267MsoNormal><SPAN class=yiv578646267EmailStyle15><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I would not downgrade any flying around necessary to get back into the proper entry for the next turnaround, as this would be double jeopardy after zeroing the square loop. </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></div>
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<div class=yiv578646267MsoNormal><SPAN class=yiv578646267EmailStyle15><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I didn't know for sure which maneuver, previous or pending, should get a separation line downgrade if needed. </SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I couldn't find my test score sheets to see what if anything may be different but h</SPAN></FONT><SPAN class=yiv578646267EmailStyle15><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">ere's what I found in the rules, (Page 14).</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></div>
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<div class=yiv578646267MsoNormal><B><FONT color=fuchsia size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: fuchsia; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Lines: </SPAN></FONT></B><FONT color=fuchsia size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: fuchsia; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">All aerobatic maneuvers are started and ended by a horizontal line. When no line is flown between two (2) scored maneuvers, the upcoming maneuver should be downgraded by two (2) points. If no defined line is flown at the exit of a maneuver and it is the last maneuver flown prior to landing, then a two (2) point deduction should be given to the maneuver just completed. </SPAN></FONT></div>
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<div class=yiv578646267MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I assume the intent is straight and level flight, wings level parallel to the flight line. Depth correction here is a no-no but may be the lesser of evils and necessary to salvage the upcoming maneuver. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></FONT></div>
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<div class=yiv578646267MsoNormal><SPAN class=yiv578646267EmailStyle15><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Once again a long answer to a simple question, or should I say nothing is as simple as it seams.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></div>
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<div style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=yiv578646267MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> nsrca-dist8-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-dist8-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>astropuppy<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Sunday, August 19, 2012 2:12 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> nsrca-dist8<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [NSRCA-dist8] Judging question</SPAN></FONT></div>
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<div style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=yiv578646267MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I was out practicing today and totally screwed up a maneuver. After the flight one of my flying buddies asked how it would of been scored. I didn't know and for the benefit of the group I'm asking here on the list.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></div>
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<div style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; RIGHT: auto" class=yiv578646267MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Flying intermediate I came into the 4th maneuver "1/2 square loop exit inverted" . After I finish the 1/2 square I got totally disorientated flying upside down to center for the "Square loop from top". By the time I get to center, I am right side up, climbing and headed out at about a 45 degree angle to my line. I crossed center circled around to the right, backtracking; just before getting back to center I rolled inverted flew to the other (box) corner and continued with the half loop. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></div>
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<div style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=yiv578646267MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I realize the square from the top gets a zero. My question is are points deducted from the half loop because I crossed center and circled back around?</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></div>
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