[NSRCA-discussion] Judging Question

[Vicente Bortone]

Good morning all,

I agree with the conclusions.  We just need to add the detail to the
description.  However, I believe the top hat changed at some point and we
just forgot.  Probably the reason is because we could add more complex
elements in the horizontal portion.  I wonder now if we took it  from
FAI-f3a.  Looks like we need to do a little more research and it will be
good to check FAI-f3a rulebook to make sure we are on the same page.

Vicente "Vince" Bortone


On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 6:27 AM tim pritchett via NSRCA-discussion <
nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

> We may have to go back to the days when the AMA Comp. Regs. included
> sequences & descriptions to find these.  But I agree Stuart, and was
> thinking the same thing about having a Basic Maneuver Description
> reference.  Some of the named maneuvers are not descript, like "Comet",
> "Et", and even "Bunt".  It would avoid lengthy write-ups each time
> sequences are developed.
>
> For a basic Top Hat, I was taught this way in the 80's:
>
> 1) Always have inverted horizontal lines,
> 2) Have equal length lines as center maneuvers
> 3) Horizontal line length can vary as end maneuvers
> 4) Can vary entry/exit altitude as end maneuvers
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stuart Chale via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> To: Daniel Underkofler via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Thu, Aug 6, 2020 6:45 am
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Question
>
> As Chair of the sequence committee the intent was that the maneuver be
> square, equal horizontal and vertical.  I have searched for the maneuver
> descriptions that include that the horizontal segment of any top hat must
> be inverted and I I was unable to find that reference (everyone agrees on
> this point).  I  believe that there is also a reference to the line lengths
> on a center top hat maneuver being equal.  Pretty sure that they have
> always been so in the past.  If anyone can find that document that
> discusses top hats please let me know.
> I apologize for not including that downgrade in the maneuver
> descriptions.  (another vote for having a document with basic downgrades
> for each maneuver type for future sequence committees to use.)
> If not including the downgrade in the maneuver description changes the
> maneuver that was intended, I also apologize for the oversight.
> Stuart
> On 8/5/2020 9:06 PM, Daniel Underkofler via NSRCA-discussion wrote:
>
> I'm with Vince on the center top hat:  no symmetry is specified, so only
> up and down lines must be equal.
> I'm with Stuart on the end box top hat from top.  Turnaround
> maneuvers don't need to have equal entry and exit altitudes.  End box top
> hats need only have an identifiable line at top/bottom.
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 4:05 PM Vicente Bortone via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
> Of course exit and entry altitude has to be equal.  Therefore both
> vertical lines have to be equal but not necessarily equal to horizontal
> line.
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 5:01 PM Vicente Bortone <vincebrc at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I believe there is no requirement if there is no description.
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 2:01 PM Don Ramsey via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
> A judging question:
>
> You are judging the Masters centered top hat.  Are there requirements for
> the length of lines?
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