[NSRCA-discussion] Gryo's in Pattern?

[Peter Vogel]

Given that you have one in your brain and the seat of your pants, not to
mention simple things like a strip of yarn on the windshield to tell you
whether your turn is coordinated, altimeters, etc. I'd have to say, the
equivalent of a gyro is allowed :-)

Peter+


On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 4:15 PM Vicente Bortone <vincebrc at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I got a question.  Are gyros allowed in real aerobatics competition?
>
> Vicente “Vince” Bortone
>
> On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 4:29 PM Wayne Galigan via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
>> All this talk about gyros  is making me hungry.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2019, 3:46 PM Peter Vogel via NSRCA-discussion <
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org wrote:
>>
>>> On the face of it, I agree with Jon.  That said, I think the same
>>> concerns existed in F3C about 5-7 years back, but they started allowing
>>> Flybarless system electronics (which are effectively 3D gyros) and their
>>> world didn't implode.  From my perspective having flown some Gyro-enabled
>>> aircraft (obviously not in competition) the gyro actually buys you VERY
>>> little.  It makes the lines smoother, but the geometric challenges,
>>> centering, throttle control, etc. all apply and are NOT solved by the
>>> gyro.  In fact, some things become significantly harder with a gyro (i.e a
>>> stall turn) as the gyro is actively fighting the intended behavior of the
>>> plane.  This was also the conclusion, IIRC, of the committee that reviewed
>>> whether to allow FBL in F3C.
>>>
>>> Peter+
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 1:01 PM Jon Lowe via NSRCA-discussion <
>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This defeats the whole point of the sportsman pattern: to fly straight
>>>> lines, establish angles, and to put the plane where you want it, not where
>>>> it wants to go. Most sport fliers can't fly a straight line if their life
>>>> depends on it. New pattern flyers are amazed when I make them practice
>>>> straight and level flight over and over before I left them try manuevers.
>>>> After awhile, they see the point.
>>>>
>>>> We have a guy in our club who flies gyros all the time. When they are
>>>> on, he can fly beautiful lines, slow rolls, point rolls, etc. Turn them
>>>> off, and he's all over the sky. Sportsman would be won by someone who could
>>>> set up their gyros the best, not by someone who had the most control of
>>>> their airplane. So basically, intermediate would become the entry point for
>>>> pattern. So we'd have to dumb that down so that people could learn to fly
>>>> their planes.
>>>>
>>>> Jon
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> On Friday, January 18, 2019 tim pritchett via NSRCA-discussion <
>>>> tjpritchett at aol.com; nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>>> On the additional subject of gyros/stabilization use in pattern, we
>>>> posted a Poll on the D2 facebook page asking:
>>>>
>>>> *So, what would you think about a rules change proposal that allowed
>>>> gyros in Sportsman and Intermediate, for any plane below 1.8M (70.9") span,
>>>> and length?*
>>>>
>>>> The results  thus far are:
>>>> 16 for,
>>>> 25 against
>>>>
>>>> My comment would be that Intermediate is too competitive for this, and
>>>> we should/could restrict gyros to Sportsman only in a proposal.  Club is
>>>> not an AMA class, so we can already do anything we want there.
>>>> Any other comments?
>>>>
>>>> You can also join, vote, and comment, or review comments on the page if
>>>> you prefer:
>>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/NSRCADistrict2/
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