[NSRCA-discussion] Gryo's in Pattern?

[Vicente Bortone]

Good point.

On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 6:18 PM Peter Vogel <vogel.peter at gmail.com> wrote:

> Given that you have one in your brain and the seat of your pants, not to
> mention simple things like a strip of yarn on the windshield to tell you
> whether your turn is coordinated, altimeters, etc. I'd have to say, the
> equivalent of a gyro is allowed :-)
>
> Peter+
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 4:15 PM Vicente Bortone <vincebrc at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I got a question.  Are gyros allowed in real aerobatics competition?
>>
>> Vicente “Vince” Bortone
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 4:29 PM Wayne Galigan via NSRCA-discussion <
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>
>>> All this talk about gyros  is making me hungry.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2019, 3:46 PM Peter Vogel via NSRCA-discussion <
>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org wrote:
>>>
>>>> On the face of it, I agree with Jon.  That said, I think the same
>>>> concerns existed in F3C about 5-7 years back, but they started allowing
>>>> Flybarless system electronics (which are effectively 3D gyros) and their
>>>> world didn't implode.  From my perspective having flown some Gyro-enabled
>>>> aircraft (obviously not in competition) the gyro actually buys you VERY
>>>> little.  It makes the lines smoother, but the geometric challenges,
>>>> centering, throttle control, etc. all apply and are NOT solved by the
>>>> gyro.  In fact, some things become significantly harder with a gyro (i.e a
>>>> stall turn) as the gyro is actively fighting the intended behavior of the
>>>> plane.  This was also the conclusion, IIRC, of the committee that reviewed
>>>> whether to allow FBL in F3C.
>>>>
>>>> Peter+
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 1:01 PM Jon Lowe via NSRCA-discussion <
>>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This defeats the whole point of the sportsman pattern: to fly straight
>>>>> lines, establish angles, and to put the plane where you want it, not where
>>>>> it wants to go. Most sport fliers can't fly a straight line if their life
>>>>> depends on it. New pattern flyers are amazed when I make them practice
>>>>> straight and level flight over and over before I left them try manuevers.
>>>>> After awhile, they see the point.
>>>>>
>>>>> We have a guy in our club who flies gyros all the time. When they are
>>>>> on, he can fly beautiful lines, slow rolls, point rolls, etc. Turn them
>>>>> off, and he's all over the sky. Sportsman would be won by someone who could
>>>>> set up their gyros the best, not by someone who had the most control of
>>>>> their airplane. So basically, intermediate would become the entry point for
>>>>> pattern. So we'd have to dumb that down so that people could learn to fly
>>>>> their planes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jon
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> On Friday, January 18, 2019 tim pritchett via NSRCA-discussion <
>>>>> tjpritchett at aol.com; nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>>>> On the additional subject of gyros/stabilization use in pattern, we
>>>>> posted a Poll on the D2 facebook page asking:
>>>>>
>>>>> *So, what would you think about a rules change proposal that allowed
>>>>> gyros in Sportsman and Intermediate, for any plane below 1.8M (70.9") span,
>>>>> and length?*
>>>>>
>>>>> The results  thus far are:
>>>>> 16 for,
>>>>> 25 against
>>>>>
>>>>> My comment would be that Intermediate is too competitive for this, and
>>>>> we should/could restrict gyros to Sportsman only in a proposal.  Club is
>>>>> not an AMA class, so we can already do anything we want there.
>>>>> Any other comments?
>>>>>
>>>>> You can also join, vote, and comment, or review comments on the page
>>>>> if you prefer:
>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/NSRCADistrict2/
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>>>>
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>
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> Treasurer, National Society of Radio Control Aerobatics (NSRCA)
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