[NSRCA-discussion] Gryo's in Pattern?

[Vicente Bortone]

Hello all,

I got a question.  Are gyros allowed in real aerobatics competition?

Vicente “Vince” Bortone

On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 4:29 PM Wayne Galigan via NSRCA-discussion <
nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

> All this talk about gyros  is making me hungry.
>
> On Fri, Jan 18, 2019, 3:46 PM Peter Vogel via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org wrote:
>
>> On the face of it, I agree with Jon.  That said, I think the same
>> concerns existed in F3C about 5-7 years back, but they started allowing
>> Flybarless system electronics (which are effectively 3D gyros) and their
>> world didn't implode.  From my perspective having flown some Gyro-enabled
>> aircraft (obviously not in competition) the gyro actually buys you VERY
>> little.  It makes the lines smoother, but the geometric challenges,
>> centering, throttle control, etc. all apply and are NOT solved by the
>> gyro.  In fact, some things become significantly harder with a gyro (i.e a
>> stall turn) as the gyro is actively fighting the intended behavior of the
>> plane.  This was also the conclusion, IIRC, of the committee that reviewed
>> whether to allow FBL in F3C.
>>
>> Peter+
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 1:01 PM Jon Lowe via NSRCA-discussion <
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>
>>> This defeats the whole point of the sportsman pattern: to fly straight
>>> lines, establish angles, and to put the plane where you want it, not where
>>> it wants to go. Most sport fliers can't fly a straight line if their life
>>> depends on it. New pattern flyers are amazed when I make them practice
>>> straight and level flight over and over before I left them try manuevers.
>>> After awhile, they see the point.
>>>
>>> We have a guy in our club who flies gyros all the time. When they are
>>> on, he can fly beautiful lines, slow rolls, point rolls, etc. Turn them
>>> off, and he's all over the sky. Sportsman would be won by someone who could
>>> set up their gyros the best, not by someone who had the most control of
>>> their airplane. So basically, intermediate would become the entry point for
>>> pattern. So we'd have to dumb that down so that people could learn to fly
>>> their planes.
>>>
>>> Jon
>>> ------------------------------
>>> On Friday, January 18, 2019 tim pritchett via NSRCA-discussion <
>>> tjpritchett at aol.com; nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>> On the additional subject of gyros/stabilization use in pattern, we
>>> posted a Poll on the D2 facebook page asking:
>>>
>>> *So, what would you think about a rules change proposal that allowed
>>> gyros in Sportsman and Intermediate, for any plane below 1.8M (70.9") span,
>>> and length?*
>>>
>>> The results  thus far are:
>>> 16 for,
>>> 25 against
>>>
>>> My comment would be that Intermediate is too competitive for this, and
>>> we should/could restrict gyros to Sportsman only in a proposal.  Club is
>>> not an AMA class, so we can already do anything we want there.
>>> Any other comments?
>>>
>>> You can also join, vote, and comment, or review comments on the page if
>>> you prefer:
>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/NSRCADistrict2/
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Vicente "Vince" Bortone
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