[NSRCA-discussion] Aresti Question

Fri Dec 14 15:11:41 AKST 2012

Doug is correct. There is a "super slow roll" indicated by a double headed arrow in the Glider section of the 2012 Aresti catalog. Its not applicable to IAC Powered sequences but that doesn't prevent it's symbol from being used by the pattern community. Its defined as a slow roll which takes 10 or more seconds to complete a 360deg roll. No reason why it can't be used to indicate the 3-5 sec slow roll for AMA pattern.
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  From: Doug Cronkhite 
  To: Derek Koopowitz ; General pattern discussion 
  Cc: General pattern discussion 
  Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 14:50
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Aresti Question

  There's no need. Unless they've been removed from the software there is another type of roll arrow with a doubled 'head' on it. In IAC this denotes a super-slow roll, but could be adapted for pattern use. It may not be in the catalog anymore. Check the glider symbology. It might still be there. 

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  On Dec 14, 2012, at 1:45 PM, Derek Koopowitz <derekkoopowitz at gmail.com> wrote:

    I would prefer to stick to true Aresti versus making it.

    Jon Carter <joncarter60 at comcast.net> wrote:
    I can do that but it is non-standard.

    Jon Carter

    Scott McHarg <scmcharg at gmail.com> wrote:
      We can make a diagram or maneuver look however you want it.  It's not super easy but it can be done.  The software allows us to design our own maneuver or use templates.  There are some other experts out there that are better than I am with the Aresti software.  What you ask for can be done however.

      Scott

      On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 2:36 PM, John Gayer <jgghome at comcast.net> wrote:

        Scott,
        I know you are reading this.
        In the standard Aresti s/w we have, can you add new maneuvers, such as a roll with an "S" where the "4" would be for a four point? Of course we would get some folks doing five point rolls and wondering what the zero  was for. :)
        John
        On 12/14/2012 12:58 PM, J N Hiller wrote:

          Yes I know. Would it be possible for us to deviate from IAC by adding
          another similar but different symbol to identify a slow roll.
          The rest of the sequence is well defined in the Aresti diagram without the
          written description. Its always been this way. Does it need to continue? If
          so I submit and will continue to reference both. Not a problem. Just
          requires both.
          Jim

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          [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Jack Keiser
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          Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Aresti Question

          There is no "slow roll" in IAC. The roll rate is not specified but is
          usually about 1-2 sec/360 deg. Slower rolls use up too much box and you're
          usually struggling  to stay in the box. Varying roll rate and heading and
          pitch changes are the usual downgrades.

          On Dec 14, 2012, at 11:35, John Gayer <jgghome at comcast.net> wrote:

            Jim,
            To my knowledge, the answer is no. In Aresti a roll is a roll is a roll.
            In the case of this unknown, Scott McHarg designed the pattern for us and

          provided scoresheets as well as the Aresti. The scoresheet identified that
          roll on a horizontal line as a slow roll.

            I don't know any other way.  Aresti for Sportsman and Advanced shows the

          same roll but the descriptions differ.

            John
            On 12/14/2012 10:31 AM, J N Hiller wrote:

              I'll ask here because others may be interested.

              I got impatient waiting fore the November K-Factor and began reading the
              E-version.

              Following the "Rocky Mountain Fall pattern Challenge Unknown Sequence"
              Aresti diagram #7 I assume is a slow roll but the roll symbol is the same
              for an aileron roll. I don't know that IAC flies two different roll

          rates.

              Is there any way to identify these two different rolls in the diagrams we
              use?

              Jim Hiller

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