[NSRCA-discussion] Aresti Question

Fri Dec 14 14:14:14 AKST 2012

Are you sure Doug?  I was just looking at section 9 (rolls) in my Aresti
Catalog 2013 and I don't see a double headed roll arrow...

Peter+

On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Peter Vogel <vogel.peter at gmail.com> wrote:

> Of course, things like the Sportsman "double immelmann" are not standard
> Aresti either...
>
> Peter+
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Jon Carter <joncarter60 at comcast.net>wrote:
>
>> Doug, thanks for the tip. I will look into it. I too would rather not
>> make any changes to "standard" Aresti.
>>
>> Jon Carter
>>
>>
>> Doug Cronkhite <seefo at san.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> There's no need. Unless they've been removed from the software there is
>>> another type of roll arrow with a doubled 'head' on it. In IAC this denotes
>>> a super-slow roll, but could be adapted for pattern use. It may not be in
>>> the catalog anymore. Check the glider symbology. It might still be there.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Dec 14, 2012, at 1:45 PM, Derek Koopowitz <derekkoopowitz at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I would prefer to stick to true Aresti versus making it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jon Carter <joncarter60 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> I can do that but it is non-standard.
>>>
>>> Jon Carter
>>>
>>> Scott McHarg <scmcharg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We can make a diagram or maneuver look however you want it.  It's not
>>>> super easy but it can be done.  The software allows us to design our own
>>>> maneuver or use templates.  There are some other experts out there that are
>>>> better than I am with the Aresti software.  What you ask for can be done
>>>> however.
>>>>
>>>> Scott
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 2:36 PM, John Gayer <jgghome at comcast.net>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Scott,
>>>>> I know you are reading this.
>>>>> In the standard Aresti s/w we have, can you add new maneuvers, such as
>>>>> a roll with an "S" where the "4" would be for a four point? Of course we
>>>>> would get some folks doing five point rolls and wondering what the zero
>>>>>  was for. :)
>>>>> John
>>>>> On 12/14/2012 12:58 PM, J N Hiller wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes I know. Would it be possible for us to deviate from IAC by adding
>>>>>> another similar but different symbol to identify a slow roll.
>>>>>> The rest of the sequence is well defined in the Aresti diagram
>>>>>> without the
>>>>>> written description. Its always been this way. Does it need to
>>>>>> continue? If
>>>>>> so I submit and will continue to reference both. Not a problem. Just
>>>>>> requires both.
>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@**lists.nsrca.org<nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>>>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-**bounces at lists.nsrca.org<nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>]On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Jack Keiser
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 11:37 AM
>>>>>> To: General pattern discussion
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Aresti Question
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no "slow roll" in IAC. The roll rate is not specified but is
>>>>>> usually about 1-2 sec/360 deg. Slower rolls use up too much box and
>>>>>> you're
>>>>>> usually struggling  to stay in the box. Varying roll rate and heading
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> pitch changes are the usual downgrades.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 14, 2012, at 11:35, John Gayer <jgghome at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Jim,
>>>>>>> To my knowledge, the answer is no. In Aresti a roll is a roll is a
>>>>>>> roll.
>>>>>>> In the case of this unknown, Scott McHarg designed the pattern for
>>>>>>> us and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> provided scoresheets as well as the Aresti. The scoresheet identified
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> roll on a horizontal line as a slow roll.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know any other way.  Aresti for Sportsman and Advanced shows
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> same roll but the descriptions differ.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>> On 12/14/2012 10:31 AM, J N Hiller wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'll ask here because others may be interested.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I got impatient waiting fore the November K-Factor and began
>>>>>>>> reading the
>>>>>>>> E-version.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Following the "Rocky Mountain Fall pattern Challenge Unknown
>>>>>>>> Sequence"
>>>>>>>> Aresti diagram #7 I assume is a slow roll but the roll symbol is
>>>>>>>> the same
>>>>>>>> for an aileron roll. I don't know that IAC flies two different roll
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> rates.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there any way to identify these two different rolls in the
>>>>>>>> diagrams we
>>>>>>>> use?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jim Hiller
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