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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Doug is correct. There is a "super slow roll"
indicated by a double headed arrow in the Glider section of the 2012 Aresti
catalog. Its not applicable to IAC Powered sequences but that doesn't prevent
it's symbol from being used by the pattern community. Its defined as a slow roll
which takes 10 or more seconds to complete a 360deg roll. No reason
why it can't be used to indicate the 3-5 sec slow roll for AMA
pattern.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=seefo@san.rr.com href="mailto:seefo@san.rr.com">Doug Cronkhite</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=derekkoopowitz@gmail.com
href="mailto:derekkoopowitz@gmail.com">Derek Koopowitz</A> ; <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December 14, 2012
14:50</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Aresti
Question</DIV>
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<DIV>There's no need. Unless they've been removed from the software there is
another type of roll arrow with a doubled 'head' on it. In IAC this denotes a
super-slow roll, but could be adapted for pattern use. It may not be in the
catalog anymore. Check the glider symbology. It might still be
there. </DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>Sent from my iPhone</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Dec 14, 2012, at 1:45 PM, Derek Koopowitz <<A
href="mailto:derekkoopowitz@gmail.com">derekkoopowitz@gmail.com</A>>
wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>I would prefer to stick to true Aresti versus making it.
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR>Jon Carter <<A
href="mailto:joncarter60@comcast.net">joncarter60@comcast.net</A>>
wrote:<BR>I can do that but it is non-standard.<BR><BR>Jon Carter<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>Scott McHarg <<A
href="mailto:scmcharg@gmail.com">scmcharg@gmail.com</A>> wrote:
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class=gmail_quote>We can make a diagram or maneuver look however
you want it. It's not super easy but it can be done. The
software allows us to design our own maneuver or use templates.
There are some other experts out there that are better than I am
with the Aresti software. What you ask for can be done however.
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<DIV>Scott</DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 2:36 PM, John Gayer <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net"
target=_blank>jgghome@comcast.net</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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class=gmail_quote>Scott,<BR>I know you are reading this.<BR>In the
standard Aresti s/w we have, can you add new maneuvers, such as a roll
with an "S" where the "4" would be for a four point? Of course we would
get some folks doing five point rolls and wondering what the zero
was for. :)<BR>John<BR>On 12/14/2012 12:58 PM, J N Hiller
wrote:<BR>
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class=gmail_quote>Yes I know. Would it be possible for us to deviate
from IAC by adding<BR>another similar but different symbol to identify
a slow roll.<BR>The rest of the sequence is well defined in the Aresti
diagram without the<BR>written description. Its always been this way.
Does it need to continue? If<BR>so I submit and will continue to
reference both. Not a problem. Just<BR>requires
both.<BR>Jim<BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: <A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
target=_blank>nsrca-discussion-bounces@<U></U>lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>[mailto:<A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
target=_blank>nsrca-discussion-<U></U>bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>]On
Behalf Of Jack Keiser<BR>Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 11:37
AM<BR>To: General pattern discussion<BR>Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Aresti Question<BR><BR>There is no "slow roll" in
IAC. The roll rate is not specified but is<BR>usually about 1-2
sec/360 deg. Slower rolls use up too much box and you're<BR>usually
struggling to stay in the box. Varying roll rate and heading
and<BR>pitch changes are the usual downgrades.<BR><BR>On Dec 14, 2012,
at 11:35, John Gayer <<A href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net"
target=_blank>jgghome@comcast.net</A>> wrote:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE
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class=gmail_quote>Jim,<BR>To my knowledge, the answer is no. In
Aresti a roll is a roll is a roll.<BR>In the case of this unknown,
Scott McHarg designed the pattern for us and<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>provided
scoresheets as well as the Aresti. The scoresheet identified
that<BR>roll on a horizontal line as a slow roll.<BR>
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class=gmail_quote>I don't know any other way. Aresti for
Sportsman and Advanced shows the<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>same roll but the
descriptions differ.<BR>
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class=gmail_quote>John<BR>On 12/14/2012 10:31 AM, J N Hiller
wrote:<BR>
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class=gmail_quote>I'll ask here because others may be
interested.<BR><BR>I got impatient waiting fore the November
K-Factor and began reading the<BR>E-version.<BR><BR>Following the
"Rocky Mountain Fall pattern Challenge Unknown Sequence"<BR>Aresti
diagram #7 I assume is a slow roll but the roll symbol is the
same<BR>for an aileron roll. I don't know that IAC flies two
different roll<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>rates.<BR>
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class=gmail_quote>
<BLOCKQUOTE
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class=gmail_quote>Is there any way to identify these two different
rolls in the diagrams we<BR>use?<BR><BR>Jim
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<DIV><BR></DIV>-- <BR><B style="COLOR: rgb(51,51,255)"><FONT
style="FONT-FAMILY: comic sans ms,sans-serif" size=4>Scott A.
McHarg</FONT></B><BR>Sr. Systems Engineer - Infrastructure<BR><BR></DIV>
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