Are you sure Doug? I was just looking at section 9 (rolls) in my Aresti Catalog 2013 and I don't see a double headed roll arrow...<div><br></div><div>Peter+</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Peter Vogel <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com" target="_blank">vogel.peter@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Of course, things like the Sportsman "double immelmann" are not standard Aresti either...<div><br></div><div>Peter+</div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Jon Carter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:joncarter60@comcast.net" target="_blank">joncarter60@comcast.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="auto">Doug, thanks for the tip. I will look into it. I too would rather not make any changes to "standard" Aresti.<span><font color="#888888"><br>
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Jon Carter</font></span><div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Doug Cronkhite <<a href="mailto:seefo@san.rr.com" target="_blank">seefo@san.rr.com</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>There's no need. Unless they've been removed from the software there is another type of roll arrow with a doubled 'head' on it. In IAC this denotes a super-slow roll, but could be adapted for pattern use. It may not be in the catalog anymore. Check the glider symbology. It might still be there. </div>
<div><br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Dec 14, 2012, at 1:45 PM, Derek Koopowitz <<a href="mailto:derekkoopowitz@gmail.com" target="_blank">derekkoopowitz@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite">
<div>I would prefer to stick to true Aresti versus making it.<div><br></div><br>Jon Carter <<a href="mailto:joncarter60@comcast.net" target="_blank">joncarter60@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br>I can do that but it is non-standard.<br>
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Jon Carter<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Scott McHarg <<a href="mailto:scmcharg@gmail.com" target="_blank">scmcharg@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
We can make a diagram or maneuver look however you want it. It's not super easy but it can be done. The software allows us to design our own maneuver or use templates. There are some other experts out there that are better than I am with the Aresti software. What you ask for can be done however.<div>
<br></div><div>Scott</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 2:36 PM, John Gayer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net" target="_blank">jgghome@comcast.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Scott,<br>
I know you are reading this.<br>
In the standard Aresti s/w we have, can you add new maneuvers, such as a roll with an "S" where the "4" would be for a four point? Of course we would get some folks doing five point rolls and wondering what the zero was for. :)<br>
John<br>
On 12/14/2012 12:58 PM, J N Hiller wrote:<br>
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Yes I know. Would it be possible for us to deviate from IAC by adding<br>
another similar but different symbol to identify a slow roll.<br>
The rest of the sequence is well defined in the Aresti diagram without the<br>
written description. Its always been this way. Does it need to continue? If<br>
so I submit and will continue to reference both. Not a problem. Just<br>
requires both.<br>
Jim<br>
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There is no "slow roll" in IAC. The roll rate is not specified but is<br>
usually about 1-2 sec/360 deg. Slower rolls use up too much box and you're<br>
usually struggling to stay in the box. Varying roll rate and heading and<br>
pitch changes are the usual downgrades.<br>
<br>
On Dec 14, 2012, at 11:35, John Gayer <<a href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net" target="_blank">jgghome@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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Jim,<br>
To my knowledge, the answer is no. In Aresti a roll is a roll is a roll.<br>
In the case of this unknown, Scott McHarg designed the pattern for us and<br>
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provided scoresheets as well as the Aresti. The scoresheet identified that<br>
roll on a horizontal line as a slow roll.<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I don't know any other way. Aresti for Sportsman and Advanced shows the<br>
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same roll but the descriptions differ.<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
John<br>
On 12/14/2012 10:31 AM, J N Hiller wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I'll ask here because others may be interested.<br>
<br>
I got impatient waiting fore the November K-Factor and began reading the<br>
E-version.<br>
<br>
Following the "Rocky Mountain Fall pattern Challenge Unknown Sequence"<br>
Aresti diagram #7 I assume is a slow roll but the roll symbol is the same<br>
for an aileron roll. I don't know that IAC flies two different roll<br>
</blockquote></blockquote>
rates.<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Is there any way to identify these two different rolls in the diagrams we<br>
use?<br>
<br>
Jim Hiller<br>
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