[NSRCA-discussion] Quick question re: cellular data service at the fields where you compete

Thu Dec 8 15:44:13 AKST 2011

Peter,

Since you are in California, we do not use PACSS - we use a scoring program
developed by someone else for ALL contests in California - it is Excel
based.

-Derek

On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Peter Vogel <vogel.peter at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks!  I fully expect this sort of thing to be preference based, but I
> do love the idea of just clicking a clicker for downgrades and another
> button to click when the maneuver is complete so I'll definitely implement
> something like that.
>
> I *don't* think this would be mandatory by any means, but I think it could
> be a huge time saver, and I'm also envisioning some cloud-based
> capabilities for contestants to analyze their performance over time,
> particularly when they can compare the same maneuver in front of the same
> set of judges over time.
>
> I thought about doing it all over wifi to the CD/scorekeeper's system and
> that's still an option, but implementation becomes WAY easier if I can just
> stand up a service on amazon web services rather than making the CD's
> system be the host where I also need to solve persistence, etc.  But, I am
> very sensitive to the possibility of stuff being broken and that's why I'd
> already opened the conversation with Gene for making this a mechanism that
> *works with* PACSS rather than a *replacement* for PACSS.
>
> Peter+
>
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 10:06 AM, John Gayer <jgghome at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>  I think Mark has a much better answer for the data entry if you go
>> forward with this. Single clicking of the downgrades would work much
>> better. Number entry will inevitably result in a fairly high level of
>> incorrect data plus forgetting to push enter in either system will cause
>> problems that are unfixable without a bunch of NOs by the judge.
>>
>> Right now this would appear to be a solution without a problem. Either
>> manual entry on paper or direct entry through your phone or other device
>> will work just fine until you have a problem. Then it is much easier to
>> take the score sheet back to the judge for a correction then it is to take
>> a printout that has scores offset because a maneuver is missing. You don't
>> think you can get away with having the scoring done automatically without
>> realtime result checking by a person at the scoring computer? As long as
>> you have to have a person there anyway...
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>> On 12/8/2011 10:16 AM, Mark Atwood wrote:
>>
>> Actually,  I think a better approach if you were going to try this would
>> be to use the side buttons and simply click 1/2 pt downgrades and enter.
>>  So you'd truly NEVER have to look away from the plane.  1/2 pt granularity
>> would require you to wait until you saw a full half point of infraction
>> before clicking but it would be pretty easy to click off points here and
>> there as you went along.  It would also align better with our judging
>> guidlines to truly be judging downgrades, rather than assigning a final
>> score to each manuever.
>>
>>   *Mark Atwood*****
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>>
>>
>>
>>  On Dec 8, 2011, at 10:54 AM, Peter Vogel wrote:
>>
>>  Exactly. With 12 finger size buttons and an 'enter'.  0-10 and a .5
>> button.  Very quick and hitting enter finalizes. Enter with no score button
>> is Not Observed and then at the end you review the scoresheet, make any
>> corrections you want and hit enter one more time.  Arresti at the bottom
>> for reference.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone4S
>>
>> On Dec 8, 2011, at 5:12 AM, Keith Hoard <khoard at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Bob,
>>
>>     I've been thinking of just this system for a couple years now.  If
>> you were using a smart phone, you could hold it up near your line of sight
>> during the flight and tap in your score without taking your eyes off the
>> plane.  Perhaps even a graphic of the maneuver for quick reference?
>>
>> Keith Hoard
>> Collierville, TN
>> khoard at gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 7:08 AM, Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  All of the sites I hit on the pattern circuit here in D4-D5 have
>>> cellular service, most are near large metro areas so 3G should be avaliable
>>> also.
>>>
>>> I would be a little concerned about the ability to punch in a score on a
>>> screen (even if i was a single "button") especailly in the event of a
>>> mistake. A judge could be distracted trying to correct a score. A
>>> pencil/paper system is hard to beat for ease of use and quick error
>>> correction.
>>>
>>> Bob Kane
>>> getterflash at yahoo.com
>>>     *From:* Peter Vogel <vogel.peter at gmail.com>
>>> *To:* General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 8, 2011 3:05 AM
>>>
>>> *Subject:* [NSRCA-discussion] Quick question re: cellular data service
>>> at the fields where you compete
>>>
>>> I've been thinking about a "better way" to get scores into a system like
>>> PACSS, given the general ubiquity of smart phones and the overall tech
>>> savvy among the pattern crowd, I believe it should be possible for a judge
>>> or scribe to very quickly enter scores for each maneuver into an iOS or
>>> Android phone or tablet communicating via the cellular data network
>>> (typical data is so small as to be VERY lightweight on data usage, so even
>>> Edge data services would be quick enough to record scores) the interface
>>> would be designed for very fast entry of a score (two taps per maneuver
>>> scored) with the interface optimized for the screen size of phone or
>>> tablet.
>>>
>>>  Here in California, I have yet to visit a field where I didn't have 3G
>>> data service, but I realize California can be an outlier in such matters.
>>>
>>>  So, of the fields where you have competed in the last year, how many
>>> had 3G data service?  Edge? and No Data service?
>>>
>>>  How many of you have a smart phone and/or tablet?
>>>
>>>  Thanks!
>>> Peter+
>>>
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