[NSRCA-discussion] Quick question re: cellular data service at the fields where you compete

Thu Dec 8 13:01:17 AKST 2011

Thanks!  I fully expect this sort of thing to be preference based, but I do
love the idea of just clicking a clicker for downgrades and another button
to click when the maneuver is complete so I'll definitely implement
something like that.

I *don't* think this would be mandatory by any means, but I think it could
be a huge time saver, and I'm also envisioning some cloud-based
capabilities for contestants to analyze their performance over time,
particularly when they can compare the same maneuver in front of the same
set of judges over time.

I thought about doing it all over wifi to the CD/scorekeeper's system and
that's still an option, but implementation becomes WAY easier if I can just
stand up a service on amazon web services rather than making the CD's
system be the host where I also need to solve persistence, etc.  But, I am
very sensitive to the possibility of stuff being broken and that's why I'd
already opened the conversation with Gene for making this a mechanism
that *works
with* PACSS rather than a *replacement* for PACSS.

Peter+

On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 10:06 AM, John Gayer <jgghome at comcast.net> wrote:

>  I think Mark has a much better answer for the data entry if you go
> forward with this. Single clicking of the downgrades would work much
> better. Number entry will inevitably result in a fairly high level of
> incorrect data plus forgetting to push enter in either system will cause
> problems that are unfixable without a bunch of NOs by the judge.
>
> Right now this would appear to be a solution without a problem. Either
> manual entry on paper or direct entry through your phone or other device
> will work just fine until you have a problem. Then it is much easier to
> take the score sheet back to the judge for a correction then it is to take
> a printout that has scores offset because a maneuver is missing. You don't
> think you can get away with having the scoring done automatically without
> realtime result checking by a person at the scoring computer? As long as
> you have to have a person there anyway...
>
> John
>
>
> On 12/8/2011 10:16 AM, Mark Atwood wrote:
>
> Actually,  I think a better approach if you were going to try this would
> be to use the side buttons and simply click 1/2 pt downgrades and enter.
>  So you'd truly NEVER have to look away from the plane.  1/2 pt granularity
> would require you to wait until you saw a full half point of infraction
> before clicking but it would be pretty easy to click off points here and
> there as you went along.  It would also align better with our judging
> guidlines to truly be judging downgrades, rather than assigning a final
> score to each manuever.
>
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>  On Dec 8, 2011, at 10:54 AM, Peter Vogel wrote:
>
>  Exactly. With 12 finger size buttons and an 'enter'.  0-10 and a .5
> button.  Very quick and hitting enter finalizes. Enter with no score button
> is Not Observed and then at the end you review the scoresheet, make any
> corrections you want and hit enter one more time.  Arresti at the bottom
> for reference.
>
> Sent from my iPhone4S
>
> On Dec 8, 2011, at 5:12 AM, Keith Hoard <khoard at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Bob,
>
>     I've been thinking of just this system for a couple years now.  If you
> were using a smart phone, you could hold it up near your line of sight
> during the flight and tap in your score without taking your eyes off the
> plane.  Perhaps even a graphic of the maneuver for quick reference?
>
> Keith Hoard
> Collierville, TN
> khoard at gmail.com
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 7:08 AM, Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>  All of the sites I hit on the pattern circuit here in D4-D5 have
>> cellular service, most are near large metro areas so 3G should be avaliable
>> also.
>>
>> I would be a little concerned about the ability to punch in a score on a
>> screen (even if i was a single "button") especailly in the event of a
>> mistake. A judge could be distracted trying to correct a score. A
>> pencil/paper system is hard to beat for ease of use and quick error
>> correction.
>>
>> Bob Kane
>> getterflash at yahoo.com
>>     *From:* Peter Vogel <vogel.peter at gmail.com>
>> *To:* General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 8, 2011 3:05 AM
>>
>> *Subject:* [NSRCA-discussion] Quick question re: cellular data service
>> at the fields where you compete
>>
>> I've been thinking about a "better way" to get scores into a system like
>> PACSS, given the general ubiquity of smart phones and the overall tech
>> savvy among the pattern crowd, I believe it should be possible for a judge
>> or scribe to very quickly enter scores for each maneuver into an iOS or
>> Android phone or tablet communicating via the cellular data network
>> (typical data is so small as to be VERY lightweight on data usage, so even
>> Edge data services would be quick enough to record scores) the interface
>> would be designed for very fast entry of a score (two taps per maneuver
>> scored) with the interface optimized for the screen size of phone or
>> tablet.
>>
>>  Here in California, I have yet to visit a field where I didn't have 3G
>> data service, but I realize California can be an outlier in such matters.
>>
>>  So, of the fields where you have competed in the last year, how many
>> had 3G data service?  Edge? and No Data service?
>>
>>  How many of you have a smart phone and/or tablet?
>>
>>  Thanks!
>> Peter+
>>
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