[NSRCA-discussion] Quick question re: cellular data service at the fields where you compete

Thu Dec 8 15:49:57 AKST 2011

Interesting!  Can someone point me to said Excel app?

Peter+

On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Derek Koopowitz <derekkoopowitz at gmail.com>wrote:

> Peter,
>
> Since you are in California, we do not use PACSS - we use a scoring
> program developed by someone else for ALL contests in California - it is
> Excel based.
>
> -Derek
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Peter Vogel <vogel.peter at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks!  I fully expect this sort of thing to be preference based, but I
>> do love the idea of just clicking a clicker for downgrades and another
>> button to click when the maneuver is complete so I'll definitely implement
>> something like that.
>>
>> I *don't* think this would be mandatory by any means, but I think it
>> could be a huge time saver, and I'm also envisioning some cloud-based
>> capabilities for contestants to analyze their performance over time,
>> particularly when they can compare the same maneuver in front of the same
>> set of judges over time.
>>
>> I thought about doing it all over wifi to the CD/scorekeeper's system and
>> that's still an option, but implementation becomes WAY easier if I can just
>> stand up a service on amazon web services rather than making the CD's
>> system be the host where I also need to solve persistence, etc.  But, I am
>> very sensitive to the possibility of stuff being broken and that's why I'd
>> already opened the conversation with Gene for making this a mechanism that
>> *works with* PACSS rather than a *replacement* for PACSS.
>>
>> Peter+
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 10:06 AM, John Gayer <jgghome at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>  I think Mark has a much better answer for the data entry if you go
>>> forward with this. Single clicking of the downgrades would work much
>>> better. Number entry will inevitably result in a fairly high level of
>>> incorrect data plus forgetting to push enter in either system will cause
>>> problems that are unfixable without a bunch of NOs by the judge.
>>>
>>> Right now this would appear to be a solution without a problem. Either
>>> manual entry on paper or direct entry through your phone or other device
>>> will work just fine until you have a problem. Then it is much easier to
>>> take the score sheet back to the judge for a correction then it is to take
>>> a printout that has scores offset because a maneuver is missing. You don't
>>> think you can get away with having the scoring done automatically without
>>> realtime result checking by a person at the scoring computer? As long as
>>> you have to have a person there anyway...
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/8/2011 10:16 AM, Mark Atwood wrote:
>>>
>>> Actually,  I think a better approach if you were going to try this would
>>> be to use the side buttons and simply click 1/2 pt downgrades and enter.
>>>  So you'd truly NEVER have to look away from the plane.  1/2 pt granularity
>>> would require you to wait until you saw a full half point of infraction
>>> before clicking but it would be pretty easy to click off points here and
>>> there as you went along.  It would also align better with our judging
>>> guidlines to truly be judging downgrades, rather than assigning a final
>>> score to each manuever.
>>>
>>>   *Mark Atwood*****
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  On Dec 8, 2011, at 10:54 AM, Peter Vogel wrote:
>>>
>>>  Exactly. With 12 finger size buttons and an 'enter'.  0-10 and a .5
>>> button.  Very quick and hitting enter finalizes. Enter with no score button
>>> is Not Observed and then at the end you review the scoresheet, make any
>>> corrections you want and hit enter one more time.  Arresti at the bottom
>>> for reference.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone4S
>>>
>>> On Dec 8, 2011, at 5:12 AM, Keith Hoard <khoard at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Bob,
>>>
>>>     I've been thinking of just this system for a couple years now.  If
>>> you were using a smart phone, you could hold it up near your line of sight
>>> during the flight and tap in your score without taking your eyes off the
>>> plane.  Perhaps even a graphic of the maneuver for quick reference?
>>>
>>> Keith Hoard
>>> Collierville, TN
>>> khoard at gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 7:08 AM, Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  All of the sites I hit on the pattern circuit here in D4-D5 have
>>>> cellular service, most are near large metro areas so 3G should be avaliable
>>>> also.
>>>>
>>>> I would be a little concerned about the ability to punch in a score on
>>>> a screen (even if i was a single "button") especailly in the event of a
>>>> mistake. A judge could be distracted trying to correct a score. A
>>>> pencil/paper system is hard to beat for ease of use and quick error
>>>> correction.
>>>>
>>>> Bob Kane
>>>> getterflash at yahoo.com
>>>>     *From:* Peter Vogel <vogel.peter at gmail.com>
>>>> *To:* General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 8, 2011 3:05 AM
>>>>
>>>> *Subject:* [NSRCA-discussion] Quick question re: cellular data service
>>>> at the fields where you compete
>>>>
>>>> I've been thinking about a "better way" to get scores into a system
>>>> like PACSS, given the general ubiquity of smart phones and the overall tech
>>>> savvy among the pattern crowd, I believe it should be possible for a judge
>>>> or scribe to very quickly enter scores for each maneuver into an iOS or
>>>> Android phone or tablet communicating via the cellular data network
>>>> (typical data is so small as to be VERY lightweight on data usage, so even
>>>> Edge data services would be quick enough to record scores) the interface
>>>> would be designed for very fast entry of a score (two taps per maneuver
>>>> scored) with the interface optimized for the screen size of phone or
>>>> tablet.
>>>>
>>>>  Here in California, I have yet to visit a field where I didn't have
>>>> 3G data service, but I realize California can be an outlier in such
>>>> matters.
>>>>
>>>>  So, of the fields where you have competed in the last year, how many
>>>> had 3G data service?  Edge? and No Data service?
>>>>
>>>>  How many of you have a smart phone and/or tablet?
>>>>
>>>>  Thanks!
>>>> Peter+
>>>>
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