[NSRCA-discussion] Judge Rank, 2009 Masters Final

Sat Sep 18 10:17:08 AKDT 2010

All of this stuff was done while I was away from pattern for a few years, so
help me understand how this information is used. What do high ranking judges
get out of the system besides an attaboy?

How is it used by CDs, event directors, pilots, etc?

Is anyone paying attention to it?

Who/how provides input into the system?

Thanks, Dave

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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judge Rank, 2009 Masters Final

Jon,

That is correct...each of the scores for each judge represents how that
judge performed the job (of judging) compared to the other judges. You can
read the explenation of how the system works in the NSRCA website under the
Judging section.

Scoring a 900 or higher is a big deal in this system. It means that these
judges placed each of the pilots very close to where the pilots ended up
PLUS scored each of the pilots with minimal deviation from the pilots
average score, ie- the score the pilot received for his round. Often, a
judge scores well in one of the two categories but very seldon does a judge
score well in both. 

The program does not look at each individual maneuver score; it looks at the
total raw score. Formulas could be created to look at each maneuver but we
decided (the Judge Ranking team) not to do it that way. In our view it would
have been unecessarily complex. I seriously doubt that a more sophisticated
program would produce a more accurate result.

The "throwaways" Ron is talking about are Judge scores that are not high
enough to be counted in overall rankings. Only the best 8 scores over a span
of 5 years I believe, count in ranking the Judges

regards

MattK

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sat, Sep 18, 2010 9:13 am
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judge Rank, 2009 Masters Final

The ranking system is not perfect. 

Sure we'd like a larger sample size, but I don't know anywhere that has more
than five judges. 

Second, a judge's score is dependent on the other judges. If a judge does a
good job in a group of good judges, his scores will be high. However, if a
judge does just as well in a group of less qualified judges, his scores will
be lower. That's why judges have "throwaways" in the overall judge rankings.

Ron 

On Sep 18, 2010, at 9:01 AM, Jon Lowe wrote: 

> Thanks Ron. I guess the two columns are from the two rounds we > judged in
2009. I think the inconsistency shown is representative > of the conditions
in which my group was judging. 20-25 mph winds, > colder than a .... And not
to be disrespectful to the flyers that > day under very difficult
conditions, but the flying was also all > over the map; I remember seeing
some 8.5's or 9's, followed by a > series of 5's and 6's. Clearly shows the
need for a larger sample > size, but I'm not sure we will get it, using only
judging from Nats > finals. I did not judge Masters finals this year (was
supposed to > do FAI, but got rained out). 
> 
> Jon Lowe 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> 
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> 
> Sent: Sat, Sep 18, 2010 8:32 am 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judge Rank, 2009 Masters Final 
> 
> Perhaps it's time to reprint an explanation of the NSRCA judge > ranking
system. Judges are ranked based on how they compared in > scoring pilots
relative to the judging group they were in and in > their relative placing
of all pilots, also compared to the judging > group they were in. A perfect
score of 1000 means that a judge > agreed with the scores and placins of the
judging group. 
> 
> Ron Van Putte 
> 
> On Sep 17, 2010, at 11:07 PM, Jon Lowe wrote: 
> 
> > I have no clue what is being presented here. What does this mean? 
> > 
> > Jon Lowe 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: rcmaster199 at aol.com 
> > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
> > Sent: Fri, Sep 17, 2010 10:45 pm 
> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Judge Rank, 2009 Masters Final 
> > 
> > Judge Rankings from 2009 Masters Final. Belated information for > >
inquiring minds; This will be on the NSRCA website at some point, > > as I
complete the assessment: 
> > 
> > Judge: Scores 
> > R Lewis 879.0 875.2 
> > G Miller 824.3 804.2 
> > J Lowe 720.8 861.4 
> > T Romano 778.9 946.0 
> > M Hunt 757.1 769.8 
> > B Clemmons 903.8 785.1 
> > J Dunnaway 783.7 816.8 
> > J Lechowski 787.3 843.1 
> > RVP 877.2 781.3 
> > T Terrenoiser 884.6 866.9 
> > 
> > Note: First 5 judges judged rounds 1 and 2; the last 5, rounds 3 > and 4

> > 
> > Regards, 
> > 
> > MattK 
> > 
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