[NSRCA-discussion] unknowns

[rcmaster199 at aol.com]

 Don,



That's totally expected. I know that Dean has recommended to the schedules committee to start to incorporate the vertical complex maneuvers but to apparently deaf ears.



The powers that be don't want them at least not now..



I agree with you that here, real estate is harder to come by, particularly in the northeast



Matt



 






-----Original Message-----

From: Don Ramsey <don.ramsey at suddenlink.net>

To: 'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>

Sent: Wed, Sep 23, 2009 2:19 pm

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] unknowns



  
                                        
    
Matt,
    
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You will be disappointed to know that all the World Judges want  to have rolling circles.? I objected  strongly and thought I made a good argument; loss of fields, over houses, too  much real estate, etc.? But, they still  want the rolling circles in all future patterns and especially F patterns.? It sure limits the number of fields that can fly  those patterns unless the pilots decide to roll in.
    
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Don
    
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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org  [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of rcmaster199 at aol.com

  Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 11:32 AM

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  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] unknowns
    
    
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It seems to me that we keep "learning" the same  lessons but some just never get the memo. Rolling circles are very neat  differentiating maneuvers BUT not desirable in neither IMAC nor Pattern  circles. They simply consume too much real estate and contradict the very  essence of why we in Pattern moved to quiet our models. Noise reduction  footprint was at the core of that effort some 25 years ago.
    
    
    
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As my good friend Dean Pappas?and I have  discussed?on many occasions, rolling loops, segments, variations, etc. are  just as neat as circles and consume no more footprint than the typical schedule  would. Oh BTW, these are far less difficult to judge objectively
    
    
    
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-----Original Message-----

  From: Ed Alt <ed_alt at hotmail.com>

  To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org

  Sent: Tue, Sep 22, 2009 10:08 pm

  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] unknowns
    
    
It's funny.? I brought my  40% Carden out of mothballs last weekend to work on the F3M stuff and all I  wanted to do was fly it like a pattern airplane.? Ofcourse it doesn't  quite?measure up, but I found that I really have no enthusiasm left for  wapping through rolls where the only?skill involved is being able to stop  on time.? I admit, on the last flight of the day I digressed and did about  10 minutes of 3d-ish garbage,?until I finally realized that it was  really?not?very satisfying.? Foamies are more fun these days  than knocking the sticks around on a 40 % gasser.?? I guess I'm just  getting old...

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  Ed

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  > Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 08:44:06 -0700

  > From: seefo at san.rr.com

  > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org

  > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] unknowns

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  > Vince,

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  > The "Slow Roll" in IAC does not equate to a pattern slow roll.  The IAC 

  > Slow Roll is just a roll, and the term slow is used to differentiate it 

  > from a point roll or snap roll. In truth, the IAC slow roll is never 

  > flown at anything but maximum roll rate available.

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  > -Doug

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  > > Yes, partial rolling circles are introduced in the Intermediate 

  > > class. As we know, there is not way to do rollers by rolling fast. 

  > > IMAC is missing to introduce the slow roll in Sportsman's class. I am  

  > > not sure why since IAC includes the slow roll.

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