<div> Don,<br>
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That's totally expected. I know that Dean has recommended to the schedules committee to start to incorporate the vertical complex maneuvers but to apparently deaf ears.<br>
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The powers that be don't want them at least not now..<br>
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I agree with you that here, real estate is harder to come by, particularly in the northeast<br>
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Matt<br>
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From: Don Ramsey <don.ramsey@suddenlink.net><br>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">You will be disappointed to know that all the World Judges want to have rolling circles.<span style=""> </span>I objected strongly and thought I made a good argument; loss of fields, over houses, too much real estate, etc.<span style=""> </span>But, they still want the rolling circles in all future patterns and especially F patterns.<span style=""> </span>It sure limits the number of fields that can fly those patterns unless the pilots decide to roll in.</span></div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 23, 2009 11:32 AM<br>
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<div class="MsoNormal">It seems to me that we keep "learning" the same lessons but some just never get the memo. Rolling circles are very neat differentiating maneuvers BUT not desirable in neither IMAC nor Pattern circles. They simply consume too much real estate and contradict the very essence of why we in Pattern moved to quiet our models. Noise reduction footprint was at the core of that effort some 25 years ago.</div>
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<div class="MsoNormal">As my good friend Dean Pappas and I have discussed on many occasions, rolling loops, segments, variations, etc. are just as neat as circles and consume no more footprint than the typical schedule would. Oh BTW, these are far less difficult to judge objectively</div>
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From: Ed Alt <<a href="mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com">ed_alt@hotmail.com</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
Sent: Tue, Sep 22, 2009 10:08 pm<br>
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<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">It's funny. I brought my 40% Carden out of mothballs last weekend to work on the F3M stuff and all I wanted to do was fly it like a pattern airplane. Ofcourse it doesn't quite measure up, but I found that I really have no enthusiasm left for wapping through rolls where the only skill involved is being able to stop on time. I admit, on the last flight of the day I digressed and did about 10 minutes of 3d-ish garbage, until I finally realized that it was really not very satisfying. Foamies are more fun these days than knocking the sticks around on a 40 % gasser. I guess I'm just getting old...<br>
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> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 08:44:06 -0700<br>
> From: <a href="mailto:seefo@san.rr.com">seefo@san.rr.com</a><br>
> To: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] unknowns<br>
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> Vince,<br>
> <br>
> The "Slow Roll" in IAC does not equate to a pattern slow roll. The IAC <br>
> Slow Roll is just a roll, and the term slow is used to differentiate it <br>
> from a point roll or snap roll. In truth, the IAC slow roll is never <br>
> flown at anything but maximum roll rate available.<br>
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> -Doug<br>
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> > Yes, partial rolling circles are introduced in the Intermediate <br>
> > class. As we know, there is not way to do rollers by rolling fast. <br>
> > IMAC is missing to introduce the slow roll in Sportsman's class. I am <br>
> > not sure why since IAC includes the slow roll.<br>
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