[NSRCA-discussion] Alabama Bound

Phil Spelt chuenkan at comcast.net
Wed Nov 25 11:14:35 AKST 2009 

In terms of rules, be they SPA or AMA, they are 
what they are, and we must abide by them.  Why 
are the  lines on the sides of baseball diamonds 
IN BOUNDS, while  lines on the sides of football 
fields and basketball courts OUT of 
BOUNDS?  Because that's the way "they" wrote the rules...

Someone mentioned that SPA is trying to 
re-capture the "style of flying" from those days, 
and that is essentially correct.  The tuned pipe 
and retract restrictions are to keep the cost and 
complexity down...I know, some of you will come 
back and point out that 4-strokes are neither 
inexpensive nor simple, and you are 
correct.  That move was made to keep the 
Knoxville, TN, club, Knox County RC, Inc., 
continuing with SPA due to noise 
restrictions.  Although, as I believe I have said 
here earlier, I had an Enya Gear-Pump .61 turning 
a 3-blade APC prop and using a SoundMaster 
muffler which came in at 89dB @ 9 feet on 
pavement -- and a similarly-equipped YS .61 short 
stroke that did the same.  BTW, those were for 
AMA, not SPA, in the 1989-91 era.

Dave said:
>*********I would note that the direction taken 
>by the NSRCA is based on the comments/feedback 
>from the NSRCA membership
.majority 
>wins
.minority is still welcome, but can choose 
>to go play another game (SPA, BPA, vintage, 
>etc)
.it is nice to have the options.
The same is true for SPA -- that's why we are 
trying to accommodate electrics, much to the 
disgust of a couple of our die-hard members, including our esteemed founder.

If any of you would like to fly by our rules (and 
.55s and .61's are competitive these days) we'd 
be delighted to have you join us.  A number of 
our members fly both types, and BPA as well.

At 10:56 AM 11/25/2009, Dave wrote:
>“Everyone is free to choose with whom to 
>associate, and while we in SPA are sorry to have 
>lost the people who have chosen not to fly with us, that was/is their choice.”
>*********True enough!!
>
>“I won't go into the many discussions I have had 
>with fellow SPAers about the direction of AMA 
>pattern, as directed by the NSRCA -- but they 
>are frequent, and those of us having them choose not to fly AMA”

>  If I had more time, and more of the SPA stuff 
> was happening in my area, I’d love to put 
> together a Dirty Birdy or Deception (some of my 
> first planes)
..and the power plant would have 
> to be modernized to accommodate noise
.but, 
> personally, I could never be happy with such a 
> plane using a 4C
.just doesn’t seem right to 
> me.  But I am happy to see others having fun 
> with the older planes (however much they are being modified) and 4Cs.
>
>Regards,
>
>Dave
>
>
>
>----------
>From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Phil Spelt
>Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:37 AM
>To: General pattern discussion
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabama Bound
>
>Well, Guys,
>
>I was preparing a response to Ron Van Putte, but 
>it appears this is not the venue for 
>that.  Everyone is free to choose with whom to 
>associate, and while we in SPA are sorry to have 
>lost the people who have chosen not to fly with 
>us, that was/is their choice.  If you check with 
>Jason Shulman, you might find a different perspective.
>
>I won't go into the many discussions I have had 
>with fellow SPAers about the direction of AMA 
>pattern, as directed by the NSRCA -- but they 
>are frequent, and those of us having them choose 
>not to fly AMA pattern - but we don't publicly 
>criticize it, either.  I judged several rounds 
>at an AMA meet last season, and while I really 
>like the turn around part, the judging reinforced my decision to fly SPA, only.
>
>BTW, if anyone is interested in some 2-meter 
>stuff (engines and airframes) you can email me 
>privately...it would be great stuff @ a 
>reasonable price for entry into 2-meter pattern, and up through Advanced.
>
>At 10:23 AM 11/25/2009, you wrote:
>
>That’s the reason I quite SPA also
 
>4-cycles!!  There is not much challenge flying 
>the old pattern with a overpowered (90 4c) 
>engine.  That was what made it hard!  The 
>scavenge-pot 60’s didn’t really have enough 
>power, so you had to FLY the airplane
. If they 
>are allowing 90 4c engines, why not allow ANY power plant!
>
>Tony Stillman, President
>Radio South, Inc.
>139 Altama Connector, Box 322
>Brunswick, GA  31525
>1-800-962-7802
>www.radiosouthrc.com
>
>----------
>From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [ 
>mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Pete Cosky
>Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:20 AM
>To: jpavlick at idseng.com; General pattern discussion
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabama Bound
>
>I'm with you John. When I was into racing 
>anything vintage had to be....well...vintage.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:jpavlick at idseng.com>John Pavlick
>To: <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>General pattern discussion
>Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:13 AM
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabama Bound
>
>Electrics in SPA? Jeez, that's kind of hard to 
>stomach. Next they're going to allow electronic 
>fuel-injection and anti-lock brakes in Vintage Sports Car Racing. LOL
>
>John Pavlick
>
>
>--- On Wed, 11/25/09, Jerry Combs 
><<mailto:jcombs1947 at att.net>jcombs1947 at att.net> wrote:
>From: Jerry Combs <<mailto:jcombs1947 at att.net>jcombs1947 at att.net>
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabama Bound
>To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 9:50 AM
>I don't understand the 13" prop bit either.  On 
>my Axi 4130-20 on 6 cells a 13" prop gives me around 500 watts.
>Jerry
>Scott, What is the reason behind a 13 inch prop limit for electric? There
>isn't any limit on prop sizes for IC engines is there? A flyer with an IC
>engine searches for the best prop size to the particular plane and engine
>combo, it seems that electric flyers should have the same flexibility.
>Dave Burton
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>--> There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and targets.
>
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-->There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and targets.

Phil Spelt, Past President, Knox County Radio Control Society, Inc.
        URL: http://www.kcrctn.com
AMA--1294,  Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
       My URL: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
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