[NSRCA-discussion] Masters Judging

Thu May 7 04:32:19 AKDT 2009

 How do you work scoring with two groups in Masters? How do all pilots get equal exposure? Two groups seems like the best solution.

Anthony

> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 09:23:55 -0700
> From: mups1953 at yahoo.com
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org; atwoodm at paragon-inc.com
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Length of 2011 Masters Sequence
> 
> 
> Mark we have plans for splitting Masters into 2 groups around here. Anything else is a disaster. Mike
> 
> 
> --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com> wrote:
> 
> > From: Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
> > Subject: RE: [NSRCA-discussion] Length of 2011 Masters Sequence
> > To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>, "mups1953 at yahoo.com" <mups1953 at yahoo.com>
> > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 10:57 AM
> > Hear Hear!!
> > 
> > I love flying long sequences...hate judging them. There
> > needs to be a balance. Not just for the sake of the judges,
> > but also to accommodate the length of the contest. 
> > 
> > At a big D4/D5 contest we'll usually have 5-6 FAI
> > pilots and 15 or 16 masters pilots. Currently the masters
> > pattern is a MINIMUM of 10 minutes per pilot (maybe not in
> > the air, but you have to really have people on their toes to
> > even get 6 flights in an hour). With 16 masters pilots,
> > that's 2 hours and 40 minutes of flying per round if
> > you're humpin'. Six rounds means 16 hours of
> > flying for JUST masters guys. Assuming you have 2 lines,
> > that means one of those lines is dedicated to Masters for
> > the entire contest AND assume you have 16 hours to fly.
> > 
> > We never have 16 hours to fly. Rarely can we get people to
> > stay until 6pm on Sunday (9am - 6pm with a lunch break both
> > days) and most fields have the sun in the box either in the
> > morning or afternoon which shortens the flying day even
> > more.
> > 
> > Now add to those woes that you only have 5-6 FAI guys
> > judging. You need 32 man hours of judging, so even if you
> > mix in a group of Advanced flyers it's a loooong time in
> > the chair.
> > 
> > Bottom line, regardless of whether it's P-09 (probably
> > not a good choice at this point) or a home brewed
> > pattern...it needs to follow the FAI trend of getting a
> > little shorter. 
> > 
> > My .02
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf
> > Of Archie Stafford
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 11:38 AM
> > To: mups1953 at yahoo.com; 'General pattern
> > discussion'
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Length of 2011 Masters
> > Sequence
> > 
> > Verne,
> > 
> > This started when I suggested to the sequence committee
> > that we need to
> > shorten the masters pattern. Flying it is fine, but I
> > think we need to take
> > into account the guys who have to sit and judge it. I
> > heard several guys in
> > FAI judging this weekend about how long a sequence it is. 
> > Which wouldn't be
> > near as bad except for the fact Masters is usually the
> > largest class at most
> > contests. I think we need to consider the length of time
> > in the judges
> > chair for those that have to judge it as well.
> > 
> > Arch
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf
> > Of mike mueller
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 10:31 AM
> > To: General pattern discussion
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Length of 2011 Masters
> > Sequence
> > 
> > 
> > The current pattern puts E. guys at a bit of a
> > disadvantage. It pushes my
> > setup a little further than I prefer. It is a great pattern
> > and I compliment
> > the designers for having a nice flow. Mike
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, verne at twmi.rr.com
> > <verne at twmi.rr.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > From: verne at twmi.rr.com <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Length of 2011 Masters
> > Sequence
> > > To: "General pattern discussion"
> > <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 10:24 AM
> > > If it sounded as though I were complaining that the
> > current
> > > Masters schedule takes too long, I wasn't. Just
> > > commenting that it takes a lot longer than the
> > previous one.
> > > For me, eight minutes from takeoff to landing approach
> > (my
> > > timer is started on takeoff and is almost always
> > beeping
> > > during my landing). I fly at what I would call a
> > medium
> > > speed most of the time. 
> > > 
> > > I'm also against flying the FAI-P schedule.
> > I'd
> > > rather fly a home-grown variant that we create
> > ourselves.
> > > 
> > > Verne Koester
> > > 
> > > 
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