[NSRCA-discussion] Masters Judging

Thu May 7 04:58:45 AKDT 2009

Anthony, since they're technically flying in 2 "classes" (Masters A + B) they don't need equal exposure in the sense that you're thinking of. As long as all the pilots in group A are exposed to the same judges, and all the pilots in group B are too, it should work fine, I think.

There is one down side however. This effectively adds another class to the contest. That means making sure judges and pilots are ready ASAP so the class can start flying the next round right after the previous class on that flight line has finished. Right now I see that as one of the things that takes a LOT of time at a contest. Once the judges are ready and the first pilot takes off, things seem to go pretty well. But getting everything ready for the start of that round can take quite a bit of time. 

John Pavlick

--- On Thu, 5/7/09, Anthony Romano <anthonyr105 at hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Anthony Romano <anthonyr105 at hotmail.com>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Judging
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Thursday, May 7, 2009, 12:32 PM

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 How do you work scoring with two groups in Masters? How do all pilots get equal exposure? Two groups seems like the best solution.

Anthony

> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 09:23:55 -0700
> From: mups1953 at yahoo.com
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org; atwoodm at paragon-inc.com
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Length of 2011 Masters Sequence
> 
> 
> Mark we have plans for splitting Masters into 2 groups around here. Anything else is a disaster. Mike
> 
> 
> --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com> wrote:
> 
> > From: Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
> > Subject: RE: [NSRCA-discussion] Length of 2011 Masters Sequence
> > To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>, "mups1953 at yahoo.com" <mups1953 at yahoo.com>
> > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 10:57 AM
> > Hear Hear!!
> > 
> > I love flying long sequences...hate judging them. There
> > needs to be a balance. Not just for the sake of the judges,
> > but also to accommodate the length of the contest. 
> > 
> > At a big D4/D5 contest we'll usually have 5-6 FAI
> > pilots and 15 or 16 masters pilots. Currently the masters
> > pattern is a MINIMUM of 10 minutes per pilot (maybe not in
> > the air, but you have to really have people on their toes to
> > even get 6 flights in an hour). With 16 masters pilots,
> > that's 2 hours and 40 minutes of flying per round if
> > you're humpin'. Six rounds means 16 hours of
> > flying for JUST masters guys. Assuming you have 2 lines,
> > that means one of those lines is dedicated to Masters for
> > the entire contest AND assume you have 16 hours to fly.
> > 
> > We never have 16 hours to fly. Rarely can we get people to
> > stay until 6pm on Sunday (9am - 6pm with a lunch break both
> > days) and most fields have the sun in the box either in the
> > morning or afternoon which shortens the flying day even
> > more.
> > 
> > Now add to those woes that you only have 5-6 FAI guys
> > judging. You need 32 man hours of judging, so even if you
> > mix in a group of Advanced flyers it's a loooong time in
> > the chair.
> > 
> > Bottom line, regardless of whether it's P-09 (probably
> > not a good choice at this point) or a home brewed
> > pattern...it needs to follow the FAI trend of getting a
> > little shorter. 
> > 
> > My .02
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf
> > Of Archie Stafford
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 11:38 AM
> > To: mups1953 at yahoo.com; 'General pattern
> > discussion'
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Length of 2011 Masters
> > Sequence
> > 
> > Verne,
> > 
> > This started when I suggested to the sequence committee
> > that we need to
> > shorten the masters pattern. Flying it is fine, but I
> > think we need to take
> > into account the guys who have to sit and judge it. I
> > heard several guys in
> > FAI judging this weekend about how long a sequence it is. 
> > Which wouldn't be
> > near as bad except for the fact Masters is usually the
> > largest class at most
> > contests. I think we need to consider the length of time
> > in the judges
> > chair for those that have to judge it as well.
> > 
> > Arch
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf
> > Of mike mueller
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 10:31 AM
> > To: General pattern discussion
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Length of 2011 Masters
> > Sequence
> > 
> > 
> > The current pattern puts E. guys at a bit of a
> > disadvantage. It pushes my
> > setup a little further than I prefer. It is a great pattern
> > and I compliment
> > the designers for having a nice flow. Mike
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, verne at twmi.rr.com
> > <verne at twmi.rr.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > From: verne at twmi.rr.com <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Length of 2011 Masters
> > Sequence
> > > To: "General pattern discussion"
> > <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 10:24 AM
> > > If it sounded as though I were complaining that the
> > current
> > > Masters schedule takes too long, I wasn't. Just
> > > commenting that it takes a lot longer than the
> > previous one.
> > > For me, eight minutes from takeoff to landing approach
> > (my
> > > timer is started on takeoff and is almost always
> > beeping
> > > during my landing). I fly at what I would call a
> > medium
> > > speed most of the time. 
> > > 
> > > I'm also against flying the FAI-P schedule.
> > I'd
> > > rather fly a home-grown variant that we create
> > ourselves.
> > > 
> > > Verne Koester
> > > 
> > > 
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