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How do you work scoring with two groups in Masters? How do all pilots get equal exposure? Two groups seems like the best solution.<BR>
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Anthony<BR>
<BR> <BR>> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 09:23:55 -0700<BR>> From: mups1953@yahoo.com<BR>> To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org; atwoodm@paragon-inc.com<BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Length of 2011 Masters Sequence<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Mark we have plans for splitting Masters into 2 groups around here. Anything else is a disaster. Mike<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Atwood, Mark <atwoodm@paragon-inc.com> wrote:<BR>> <BR>> > From: Atwood, Mark <atwoodm@paragon-inc.com><BR>> > Subject: RE: [NSRCA-discussion] Length of 2011 Masters Sequence<BR>> > To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org>, "mups1953@yahoo.com" <mups1953@yahoo.com><BR>> > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 10:57 AM<BR>> > Hear Hear!!<BR>> > <BR>> > I love flying long sequences...hate judging them. There<BR>> > needs to be a balance. Not just for the sake of the judges,<BR>> > but also to accommodate the length of the contest. <BR>> > <BR>> > At a big D4/D5 contest we'll usually have 5-6 FAI<BR>> > pilots and 15 or 16 masters pilots. Currently the masters<BR>> > pattern is a MINIMUM of 10 minutes per pilot (maybe not in<BR>> > the air, but you have to really have people on their toes to<BR>> > even get 6 flights in an hour). With 16 masters pilots,<BR>> > that's 2 hours and 40 minutes of flying per round if<BR>> > you're humpin'. Six rounds means 16 hours of<BR>> > flying for JUST masters guys. Assuming you have 2 lines,<BR>> > that means one of those lines is dedicated to Masters for<BR>> > the entire contest AND assume you have 16 hours to fly.<BR>> > <BR>> > We never have 16 hours to fly. Rarely can we get people to<BR>> > stay until 6pm on Sunday (9am - 6pm with a lunch break both<BR>> > days) and most fields have the sun in the box either in the<BR>> > morning or afternoon which shortens the flying day even<BR>> > more.<BR>> > <BR>> > Now add to those woes that you only have 5-6 FAI guys<BR>> > judging. You need 32 man hours of judging, so even if you<BR>> > mix in a group of Advanced flyers it's a loooong time in<BR>> > the chair.<BR>> > <BR>> > Bottom line, regardless of whether it's P-09 (probably<BR>> > not a good choice at this point) or a home brewed<BR>> > pattern...it needs to follow the FAI trend of getting a<BR>> > little shorter. <BR>> > <BR>> > My .02<BR>> > <BR>> > -----Original Message-----<BR>> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<BR>> > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf<BR>> > Of Archie Stafford<BR>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 11:38 AM<BR>> > To: mups1953@yahoo.com; 'General pattern<BR>> > discussion'<BR>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Length of 2011 Masters<BR>> > Sequence<BR>> > <BR>> > Verne,<BR>> > <BR>> > This started when I suggested to the sequence committee<BR>> > that we need to<BR>> > shorten the masters pattern. Flying it is fine, but I<BR>> > think we need to take<BR>> > into account the guys who have to sit and judge it. I<BR>> > heard several guys in<BR>> > FAI judging this weekend about how long a sequence it is. <BR>> > Which wouldn't be<BR>> > near as bad except for the fact Masters is usually the<BR>> > largest class at most<BR>> > contests. I think we need to consider the length of time<BR>> > in the judges<BR>> > chair for those that have to judge it as well.<BR>> > <BR>> > Arch<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > -----Original Message-----<BR>> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<BR>> > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf<BR>> > Of mike mueller<BR>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 10:31 AM<BR>> > To: General pattern discussion<BR>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Length of 2011 Masters<BR>> > Sequence<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > The current pattern puts E. guys at a bit of a<BR>> > disadvantage. It pushes my<BR>> > setup a little further than I prefer. It is a great pattern<BR>> > and I compliment<BR>> > the designers for having a nice flow. Mike<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, verne@twmi.rr.com<BR>> > <verne@twmi.rr.com> wrote:<BR>> > <BR>> > > From: verne@twmi.rr.com <verne@twmi.rr.com><BR>> > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Length of 2011 Masters<BR>> > Sequence<BR>> > > To: "General pattern discussion"<BR>> > <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>> > > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 10:24 AM<BR>> > > If it sounded as though I were complaining that the<BR>> > current<BR>> > > Masters schedule takes too long, I wasn't. Just<BR>> > > commenting that it takes a lot longer than the<BR>> > previous one.<BR>> > > For me, eight minutes from takeoff to landing approach<BR>> > (my<BR>> > > timer is started on takeoff and is almost always<BR>> > beeping<BR>> > > during my landing). I fly at what I would call a<BR>> > medium<BR>> > > speed most of the time. <BR>> > > <BR>> > > I'm also against flying the FAI-P schedule.<BR>> > I'd<BR>> > > rather fly a home-grown variant that we create<BR>> > ourselves.<BR>> > > <BR>> > > Verne Koester<BR>> > > <BR>> > > <BR>> > > ---- Stuart Chale <schale@optonline.net> wrote: <BR>> > > > _______________________________________________<BR>> > > > NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR>> > > > NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>> > > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion<BR>> > > _______________________________________________<BR>> > > NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR>> > > NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>> > ><BR>> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > _______________________________________________<BR>> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR>> > NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion<BR>> > <BR>> > _______________________________________________<BR>> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR>> > NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion<BR>> > <BR>> > No virus found in this incoming message.<BR>> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <BR>> > Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: 270.12.17/2095 - Release<BR>> > Date: 05/04/09 06:00:00<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR>> NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion<BR><br /><hr />HotmailŪ goes with you. <a href='http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Mobile1_052009' target='_new'>Get it on your BlackBerry or iPhone.</a></body>
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