[NSRCA-discussion] Masters Avalanche question

Tue Apr 7 16:10:09 AKDT 2009

"Holey Cow", Guys, I get scores I don't deserve on almost every 
maneuver I fly!!!  The judges always insist on giving me lower than I 
think I deserve... :-D

At 11:00 PM 4/6/2009, you wrote:

>I, like anyone else have gotten scores that I didn't deserve,
>
>
>--- On Mon, 4/6/09, Jon Lowe <jonlowe at aol.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Jon Lowe <jonlowe at aol.com>
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Avalanche question
> > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 9:58 PM
> > Hey Chuck, you can't say ANYTHING anymore without
> > offending someone.
> > One radio commentator calls us the "United States of
> > the Offended".
> >
> > BTW, I cheat as much as possible when I fly.  I also seem
> > to get caught
> > a lot, especially when my "cheat" makes things
> > worse. After all, wrong
> > rudder is the most powerful force in the universe,
> > isn't it?!
> >
> >
> > Jon Lowe
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chuck Hochhalter <cahochhalter at yahoo.com>
> > To: General pattern discussion
> > <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > Sent: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 8:05 pm
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Avalanche question
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I apologize if anyone took offense to my cheating comment.
> >  My entire
> > flight is a cheat to avoid zeros.  It was meant to be
> > humorous.  Every
> > correction made is a "cheat" we hope is not
> > noticed so we receive the
> > highest score possible.
> >
> >
> > Chuck Hochhalter
> >
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------
> >
> > From: "billglaze"
> > <billglaze at bellsouth.net>
> >
> > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 4:55 PM
> >
> > To: "General pattern discussion"
> > <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> >
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Avalanche
> > question
> >
> >
> > > AHA!  So, that was you!!  Bill Glaze
> >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Dave Burton"
> > <burtona at atmc.net>
> >
> > > To: <patternrules at yahoo.com>; "'General
> > pattern discussion'"
> > > <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> >
> > > Sent: Monday, April 06, 20
> > 09 5:09 PM
> >
> > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Avalanche
> > question
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >> At a contest last week end I failed to do a half
> > roll at the bottom
> > of
> > >> the
> >
> > >> triangle. I realized what I had done after pulling
> > to the up line
> > and
> >
> > >> skillfully did a full roll to get back in inverted
> > position for the
> > >> figure
> >
> > >> 9. Both judges zeroed the triangle for missing the
> > first half roll
> > but
> >
> > >> neither caught the full roll to get back inverted
> > until I told them
> > after
> >
> > >> the flight.
> >
> > >> Dave Burton
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> >
> > >> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> >
> > >> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> > On Behalf Of
> > Steven
> >
> > >> Maxwell
> >
> > >> Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 4:23 PM
> >
> > >> To: General pattern discussion
> >
> > >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Avalanche
> > question
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> Actually I did a wrong maneuver at a contest the
> > district
> > championships I
> >
> > >> only seen my scores after they had been put in the
> > computer I told
> > the CD
> >
> > >> that it should have been a zero and the next 2
> > maneuver also should
> > have
> >
> > >> been zero, till I corrected my position.
> >
> > >> Steve Maxwell
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Dennis Cone
> > <patternpilot at verizon.net> wrote:C2
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >>> From: Dennis Cone
> > <patternpilot at verizon.net>
> >
> > >>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters
> > Avalanche question
> >
> > >>> To: "'General pattern
> > discussion'"
> > <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> >
> > >>> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 3:27 PM
> >
> > >>> I once was at a contest flying Masters in
> > which I found
> >
> > >>> myself right side up
> >
> > >>> when I should have been inverted. We were
> > flying into the
> >
> > >>> sun so I pulled
> >
> > >>> vertical right into the suns path, did the
> > required
> >
> > >>> maneuver and when I
> >
> > >>> reached the sun I rolled and pushed out of the
> > maneuver. I
> >
> > >>> was then in the
> >
> > >>> right position for the next maneuver. A round
> > later I was
> >
> > >>> calling for Frank
> >
> > >>> Capone and he did the same thing. So I
> > whispered to him to
> >
> > >>> pull into the sun
> >
> > >>> and roll right when he could not see it.
> > Neither one of us
> >
> > >>> got caught. Was
> >
> > >>> it cheating? Perhaps, but I like to call it
> > creative
> >
> > >>> flying. It was not
> >
> > >>> planned, so really not cheating. I'm sure
> > everyone has
> >
> > >>> done a maneuver
> >
> > >>> incorrectly and was not caught by the judges.
> > Did you tell
> >
> > >>> them to zero it?
> >
> > >>> Probably not.
> >
> > >>>
> >
> > >>> Dennis
> >
> > >>>
> >
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> >
> > >>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at li
> > sts.nsrca.org
> >
> > >>>
> > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
> > Behalf
> >
> > >>> Of Ron Van Putte
> >
> > >>> Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 6:13 AM
> >
> > >>> To: General pattern discussion
> >
> > >>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters
> > Avalanche question
> >
> > >>>
> >
> > >>> It's only cheating if you get caught.
> >
> > >>>
> >
> > >>> Ron
> >
> > >>>
> >
> > >>> On Apr 5, 2009, at 9:54 PM, Chuck Hochhalter
> > wrote:
> >
> > >>>
> >
> > >>> > Ron, that is cheating, you should
> > immediately point
> >
> > >>> out to the
> >
> > >>> > judges that you lead the snap in order to
> > preserve the
> >
> > >>> geometry of
> >
> > >>> > the maneuver.
> >
> > >>> >
> >
> > >>> >
> > --------------------------------------------------
> >
> > >>> > From: "Ronald Van Putte"
> >
> > >>> <vanputte at cox.net>
> >
> > >>> > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:34 PM
> >
> > >>> > To: "General pattern
> > discussion"
> >
> > >>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> >
> > >>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters
> > Avalanche
> >
> > >>> question
> >
> > >>> >
> >
> > >>> >> What you can try is easing some yaw
> > in by putting
> >
> > >>> in a bit of
> >
> > >>> >> left  rudder just before entering the
> > snap (the
> >
> > >>> judges probably
> >
> > >>> >> won't even  notice).
> >
> > >>> >>
> >
> > >>> >> Ron
> >
> > >>> >>
> >
> > >>> >> On Apr 5, 2009, at 6:13 PM, Keith
> > Black wrote:
> >
> > >>> >>
> >
> >
> > >>> >>> I'm having trouble with the
> > Masters
> >
> > >>> Avalanche and wanted to see
> >
> > >>> >>> if anyone had any suggestions or
> > was
> >
> > >>> experiencing the same problem.
> >
> > >>> >>>
> >
> > >>> >>>
> >
> > >>> >>>
> >
> > >>> >>> Entering the maneuver left to
> > right then
> >
> > >>> pushing the half loop
> >
> > >>> >>> to  the snap, If I attempt a
> > positive snap to
> >
> > >>> the right (which
> >
> > >>> >>> rotates  the plane away from the
> > flight line)
> >
> > >>> the nose comes
> >
> > >>> >>> around nicely  to complete the
> > arch of the
> >
> > >>> loop, but ends
> >
> > >>> >>> pointing about 20  degrees away
> > from the
> >
> > >>> flight line. If I stay
> >
> > >>> >>> on the rudder after  the snap I
> > can
> >
> > >>> immediately put the plane
> >
> > >>> >>> back in line, but it's  quite
> > ugly and
> >
> > >>> obvious rather than
> >
> > >>> >>> smoothly exiting the snap
> > parallel to the
> >
> > >>> flight line. I've
> >
> > >>> >>> tried using less rudder, but have
> >  not been
> >
> > >>> able to get that to
> >
> > >>> >>> work any better.
> >
> > >>> >>>
> >
> > >>> >>>
> >
> > >>> >>>
> >
> > >>> >>> I've also tried an outside
> > snap but to me
> >
> > >>> this looks terrible
> >
> > >>> >>> and  the nose is elevated on
> > exit.
> >
> > >>> >>>
> >
> > >>> >>>
> >
> > >>> >>>
> >
> > >>> >>> The plane is a Beryll.
> > =0
> > A
> > >>> >>>
> >
> > >>> >>>
> >
> > >>> >>>
> >
> > >>> >>> Any suggestions would be greatly
> > appreciated.
> >
> > >>> >>>
> >
> > >>> >>>
> >
> > >>> >>>
> >
> > >>> >>> Thanks,
> >
> > >>> >>>
> >
> > >>> >>> Keith Black
> >
> > >>> >>>
> >
> > >>> >>>
> >
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