[NSRCA-discussion] Masters Avalanche question
Steven Maxwell
patternrules at yahoo.com
Mon Apr 6 19:00:13 AKDT 2009
I wasn't offended by any of this as I, like anyone else have gotten scores that I didn't deserve, it was just one time when I knew it was wrong and none of the judges caught it.
Making a maneuver look as good as possible isn't cheating more like working to the best looking as it can get.
I have watched FAI finals from the road at the nats and then you can really see what true working a maneuver is.
Sorry if my statement was taken wrong by anyone.
Steve
--- On Mon, 4/6/09, Jon Lowe <jonlowe at aol.com> wrote:
> From: Jon Lowe <jonlowe at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Avalanche question
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 9:58 PM
> Hey Chuck, you can't say ANYTHING anymore without
> offending someone.
> One radio commentator calls us the "United States of
> the Offended".
>
> BTW, I cheat as much as possible when I fly. I also seem
> to get caught
> a lot, especially when my "cheat" makes things
> worse. After all, wrong
> rudder is the most powerful force in the universe,
> isn't it?!
>
>
> Jon Lowe
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chuck Hochhalter <cahochhalter at yahoo.com>
> To: General pattern discussion
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 8:05 pm
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Avalanche question
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I apologize if anyone took offense to my cheating comment.
> My entire
> flight is a cheat to avoid zeros. It was meant to be
> humorous. Every
> correction made is a "cheat" we hope is not
> noticed so we receive the
> highest score possible.
>
>
> Chuck Hochhalter
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> From: "billglaze"
> <billglaze at bellsouth.net>
>
> Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 4:55 PM
>
> To: "General pattern discussion"
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Avalanche
> question
>
>
> > AHA! So, that was you!! Bill Glaze
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dave Burton"
> <burtona at atmc.net>
>
> > To: <patternrules at yahoo.com>; "'General
> pattern discussion'"
> > <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>
> > Sent: Monday, April 06, 20
> 09 5:09 PM
>
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Avalanche
> question
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >> At a contest last week end I failed to do a half
> roll at the bottom
> of
> >> the
>
> >> triangle. I realized what I had done after pulling
> to the up line
> and
>
> >> skillfully did a full roll to get back in inverted
> position for the
> >> figure
>
> >> 9. Both judges zeroed the triangle for missing the
> first half roll
> but
>
> >> neither caught the full roll to get back inverted
> until I told them
> after
>
> >> the flight.
>
> >> Dave Burton
>
> >>
>
> >> -----Original Message-----
>
> >> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>
> >> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> On Behalf Of
> Steven
>
> >> Maxwell
>
> >> Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 4:23 PM
>
> >> To: General pattern discussion
>
> >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Avalanche
> question
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> Actually I did a wrong maneuver at a contest the
> district
> championships I
>
> >> only seen my scores after they had been put in the
> computer I told
> the CD
>
> >> that it should have been a zero and the next 2
> maneuver also should
> have
>
> >> been zero, till I corrected my position.
>
> >> Steve Maxwell
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Dennis Cone
> <patternpilot at verizon.net> wrote:C2
>
> >>
>
> >>> From: Dennis Cone
> <patternpilot at verizon.net>
>
> >>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters
> Avalanche question
>
> >>> To: "'General pattern
> discussion'"
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>
> >>> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 3:27 PM
>
> >>> I once was at a contest flying Masters in
> which I found
>
> >>> myself right side up
>
> >>> when I should have been inverted. We were
> flying into the
>
> >>> sun so I pulled
>
> >>> vertical right into the suns path, did the
> required
>
> >>> maneuver and when I
>
> >>> reached the sun I rolled and pushed out of the
> maneuver. I
>
> >>> was then in the
>
> >>> right position for the next maneuver. A round
> later I was
>
> >>> calling for Frank
>
> >>> Capone and he did the same thing. So I
> whispered to him to
>
> >>> pull into the sun
>
> >>> and roll right when he could not see it.
> Neither one of us
>
> >>> got caught. Was
>
> >>> it cheating? Perhaps, but I like to call it
> creative
>
> >>> flying. It was not
>
> >>> planned, so really not cheating. I'm sure
> everyone has
>
> >>> done a maneuver
>
> >>> incorrectly and was not caught by the judges.
> Did you tell
>
> >>> them to zero it?
>
> >>> Probably not.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Dennis
>
> >>>
>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
>
> >>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at li
> sts.nsrca.org
>
> >>>
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
> Behalf
>
> >>> Of Ron Van Putte
>
> >>> Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 6:13 AM
>
> >>> To: General pattern discussion
>
> >>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters
> Avalanche question
>
> >>>
>
> >>> It's only cheating if you get caught.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Ron
>
> >>>
>
> >>> On Apr 5, 2009, at 9:54 PM, Chuck Hochhalter
> wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>> > Ron, that is cheating, you should
> immediately point
>
> >>> out to the
>
> >>> > judges that you lead the snap in order to
> preserve the
>
> >>> geometry of
>
> >>> > the maneuver.
>
> >>> >
>
> >>> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >>> > From: "Ronald Van Putte"
>
> >>> <vanputte at cox.net>
>
> >>> > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:34 PM
>
> >>> > To: "General pattern
> discussion"
>
> >>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>
> >>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters
> Avalanche
>
> >>> question
>
> >>> >
>
> >>> >> What you can try is easing some yaw
> in by putting
>
> >>> in a bit of
>
> >>> >> left rudder just before entering the
> snap (the
>
> >>> judges probably
>
> >>> >> won't even notice).
>
> >>> >>
>
> >>> >> Ron
>
> >>> >>
>
> >>> >> On Apr 5, 2009, at 6:13 PM, Keith
> Black wrote:
>
> >>> >>
>
>
> >>> >>> I'm having trouble with the
> Masters
>
> >>> Avalanche and wanted to see
>
> >>> >>> if anyone had any suggestions or
> was
>
> >>> experiencing the same problem.
>
> >>> >>>
>
> >>> >>>
>
> >>> >>>
>
> >>> >>> Entering the maneuver left to
> right then
>
> >>> pushing the half loop
>
> >>> >>> to the snap, If I attempt a
> positive snap to
>
> >>> the right (which
>
> >>> >>> rotates the plane away from the
> flight line)
>
> >>> the nose comes
>
> >>> >>> around nicely to complete the
> arch of the
>
> >>> loop, but ends
>
> >>> >>> pointing about 20 degrees away
> from the
>
> >>> flight line. If I stay
>
> >>> >>> on the rudder after the snap I
> can
>
> >>> immediately put the plane
>
> >>> >>> back in line, but it's quite
> ugly and
>
> >>> obvious rather than
>
> >>> >>> smoothly exiting the snap
> parallel to the
>
> >>> flight line. I've
>
> >>> >>> tried using less rudder, but have
> not been
>
> >>> able to get that to
>
> >>> >>> work any better.
>
> >>> >>>
>
> >>> >>>
>
> >>> >>>
>
> >>> >>> I've also tried an outside
> snap but to me
>
> >>> this looks terrible
>
> >>> >>> and the nose is elevated on
> exit.
>
> >>> >>>
>
> >>> >>>
>
> >>> >>>
>
> >>> >>> The plane is a Beryll.
> =0
> A
> >>> >>>
>
> >>> >>>
>
> >>> >>>
>
> >>> >>> Any suggestions would be greatly
> appreciated.
>
> >>> >>>
>
> >>> >>>
>
> >>> >>>
>
> >>> >>> Thanks,
>
> >>> >>>
>
> >>> >>> Keith Black
>
> >>> >>>
>
> >>> >>>
>
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