[NSRCA-discussion] changed topic to killing Masters?

[Doug Cronkhite]

Actually, I think the solution is to just decide once and for all that
Masters will not be the training ground for FAI and make the Masters
sequence the destination difficulty. I suspect that's actually been done
several times and people just keep trying to change it.

 

If people want to fly FAI, then they have to just deal with the problems
that go along with it. No more complaining that the jump from Masters to FAI
is too hard or they don't have the right airplane, because well.. too bad. 

 

Seems like this topic goes around the list AT LEAST once a year.

 

 

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Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 12:43 PM
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] changed topic to killing Masters?

 

Jason,

 

I agree.  Another solution is get the Master class the level that was 8-10
years ago.  It was between Advanced and FAI-F3A.  It was natural for pilots
wining Masters to move to FAI and not like we see now more moving from F3A
to Masters.  It is clear to me that the new Master schedule is equal or
harder than the new P schedule.  

 

--
Vicente "Vince" Bortone

 

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From: "JShulman" <jshulman at cfl.rr.com> 

So if FAI pilots, that are flying FAI now, want to fly FAI (P and F), and
Masters pilots, that are flying Masters now, want to fly Masters, what are
we really "discussing"? Are we looking for a middle class to call Masters +
for the guys that want to fly P and not F or Masters? Sounds like the
addition of an Expert class in AMA to give the fliers in Masters, that want
a P type of sequence, a place to go? 

 

 Regards,
Jason
www.jasonshulman.com
www.shulmanaviation.com
www.composite-arf.com 

 

 

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From: "John Fuqua" <johnfuqua at embarqmail.com> 

I have been following this discussion with some relutance to jump in.  As a
current Masters pilot and old time F3A flyer I to once pushed to have the
Master schedule be the P schedule.  But you guys need to look at what FAI
has done to the P schedule.  Here is link to the F3A rules.
http://www.fai.org/aeromodelling/documents/sc4  

FAI has reduced the total maneuvers to 19 including a non scored takeoff and
landing.   AMA Master is 23 including a scored takeoff and landing.  

 

Going to FAI would certainly speed things up (which is what FAI intended for
large contests like WC to speed up the prelims and get to the real contest).

 

Not sure this is what AMA/NSRCA membership wants for a destination class.

 

John

 

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Del Rykert
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 7:14 AM
To: NSRCA Mailing List
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] changed topic to killing Masters?

 

Hi Dave..

     

I never saw anyone suggesting to do away with the Masters class.. I have
thought of another restriction/factor. Some of the FAI maneuvers require a
specific designed plane to do them well. If you don't have such an aircraft
in your stable you can be looking at a prohibitive change to switch to those
type of planes or live with the self imposed handicap. Granted, some of the
best can make a good showing in FAI type maneuvers but when needing the 1
point advantage in a high K-Factor maneuver it does drive the contestants to
seek the best sled that works for them. 

 

A good friend pointed out something I had lost sight of once.  He acquired a
newer designed airplane to his stable that performed the maneuvers he was
flying so much easier. The design choice alone was raising his scores by
almost 1 point per maneuver. With only a little bit of practice with new
plane. He never appreciated the handicap he self imposed until having better
equipment. Heck.. I still have coreless servos and not a digital do I own..
How far behind am I? LOL.  

 

    Del 

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From: Dave Burton <mailto:burtona at atmc.net>  

To: 'NSRCA Mailing List' <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.f3a.us>  

Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 7:33 PM

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] F at locals?

 

Del, I've never advocated doing away with the Master's class. I only
suggested adopting the most current FAI P maneuver schedule and fly Master's
as a separate class as we do today. Masters pilots would not be required to
advance to the FAI class unless they chose to do so. Seems to me like it
solves several problems. It allows a CD to have more flexibility in
arranging flight lines, a larger pool of knowledgeable judges, eliminates
the need for NSRCA (or others) to come up with a new schedule periodically
for the Masters Class. I don't think there is any difference in the
difficulty level of the P schedule and the Masters schedule today and would
not require any greater skill level than Masters does today IMO. 

Dave Burton

 

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