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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Actually, I think the solution is to just decide once and for
all that Masters will not be the training ground for FAI and make the Masters
sequence the destination difficulty. I suspect that’s actually been done
several times and people just keep trying to change it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>If people want to fly FAI, then they have to just deal with the
problems that go along with it. No more complaining that the jump from Masters
to FAI is too hard or they don’t have the right airplane, because well..
too bad. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Seems like this topic goes around the list AT LEAST once a year.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>vicenterc@comcast.net<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, February 03, 2008 12:43 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> NSRCA Mailing List; NSRCA Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] changed topic to killing Masters?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Jason,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I agree. Another solution is get the Master class the
level that was 8-10 years ago. It was between Advanced and FAI-F3A.
It was natural for pilots wining Masters to move to FAI and not like we see now
more moving from F3A to Masters. It is clear to me that the new Master
schedule is equal or harder than the new P schedule. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>--<br>
Vicente "Vince" Bortone<o:p></o:p></p>
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From: "JShulman" <jshulman@cfl.rr.com> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>So
if FAI pilots, that are flying FAI now, want to fly FAI (P and F), and Masters
pilots, that are flying Masters now, want to fly Masters, what are we really
"discussing"? Are we looking for a middle class to call Masters + for
the guys that want to fly P and not F or Masters? Sounds like the addition of
an Expert class in AMA to give the fliers in Masters, that want a P type
of sequence, a place to go? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> Regards,<br>
Jason<br>
www.jasonshulman.com<br>
www.shulmanaviation.com<br>
www.composite-arf.com</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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From: "John Fuqua" <johnfuqua@embarqmail.com> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=ec791490514-03022008><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>I have been following this
discussion with some relutance to jump in. As a current Masters pilot and
old time F3A flyer I to once pushed to have the Master schedule be the P
schedule. But you guys need to look at what FAI has done to the P
schedule. Here is link to the F3A rules. <a
href="http://www.fai.org/aeromodelling/documents/sc4" target="_blank">http://www.fai.org/aeromodelling/documents/sc4</a>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=ec791490514-03022008><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>FAI has reduced the total
maneuvers to 19 including a non scored takeoff and landing. AMA
Master is 23 including a scored takeoff and landing. </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=ec791490514-03022008><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Going to FAI would
certainly speed things up (which is what FAI intended for large contests like
WC to speed up the prelims and get to the real contest).</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=ec791490514-03022008><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Not sure this is what
AMA/NSRCA membership wants for a destination class.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=ec791490514-03022008><span style='font-size:
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font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Del
Rykert<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, February 03, 2008 7:14 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> NSRCA Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] changed topic to killing Masters?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Hi Dave..</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>I never saw anyone suggesting to do away with the Masters
class.. I have thought of another restriction/factor. Some of the FAI maneuvers
require a specific designed plane to do them well. If you don't have such an
aircraft in your stable you can be looking at a prohibitive change to switch to
those type of planes or live with the self imposed handicap. Granted, some of
the best can make a good showing in FAI type maneuvers but when needing the 1
point advantage in a high K-Factor maneuver it does drive the contestants
to seek the best sled that works for them. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>A good friend pointed out something I had lost sight of once.
He acquired a newer designed airplane to his stable that performed the
maneuvers he was flying so much easier. The design choice alone was raising his
scores by almost 1 point per maneuver. With only a little bit of practice with
new plane. He never appreciated the handicap he self imposed until having
better equipment. Heck.. I still have coreless servos and not a digital do I
own.. How far behind am I? LOL. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'> Del</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:burtona@atmc.net"
title="burtona@atmc.net">Dave Burton</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.f3a.us"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.f3a.us">'NSRCA Mailing List'</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Saturday, February
02, 2008 7:33 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
F at locals?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=ecmsonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Del, I’ve never advocated doing away with the
Master’s class. I only suggested adopting the most current FAI P maneuver
schedule and fly Master’s as a separate class as we do today. Masters
pilots would not be required to advance to the FAI class unless they chose to
do so. Seems to me like it solves several problems. It allows a CD to have more
flexibility in arranging flight lines, a larger pool of knowledgeable judges,
eliminates the need for NSRCA (or others) to come up with a new schedule
periodically for the Masters Class. I don’t think there is any difference
in the difficulty level of the P schedule and the Masters schedule today and
would not require any greater skill level than Masters does today IMO. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=ecmsonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Dave Burton</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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