[NSRCA-discussion] changed topic to killing Masters?

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Jason,

I agree.  Another solution is get the Master class the level that was 8-10 years ago.  It was between Advanced and FAI-F3A.  It was natural for pilots wining Masters to move to FAI and not like we see now more moving from F3A to Masters.  It is clear to me that the new Master schedule is equal or harder than the new P schedule.  

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Vicente "Vince" Bortone

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From: "JShulman" <jshulman at cfl.rr.com> 

So if FAI pilots, that are flying FAI now, want to fly FAI (P and F), and Masters pilots, that are flying Masters now, want to fly Masters, what are we really "discussing"? Are we looking for a middle class to call Masters + for the guys that want to fly P and not F or Masters? Sounds like the addition of an Expert class in AMA to give the fliers in Masters, that want a P type of sequence, a place to go? 

 Regards,
Jason
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From: "John Fuqua" <johnfuqua at embarqmail.com> 

I have been following this discussion with some relutance to jump in.  As a current Masters pilot and old time F3A flyer I to once pushed to have the Master schedule be the P schedule.  But you guys need to look at what FAI has done to the P schedule.  Here is link to the F3A rules.  http://www.fai.org/aeromodelling/documents/sc4  
FAI has reduced the total maneuvers to 19 including a non scored takeoff and landing.   AMA Master is 23 including a scored takeoff and landing.  

Going to FAI would certainly speed things up (which is what FAI intended for large contests like WC to speed up the prelims and get to the real contest).

Not sure this is what AMA/NSRCA membership wants for a destination class.

John




From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Del Rykert
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 7:14 AM
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Hi Dave..
     
I never saw anyone suggesting to do away with the Masters class.. I have thought of another restriction/factor. Some of the FAI maneuvers require a specific designed plane to do them well. If you don't have such an aircraft in your stable you can be looking at a prohibitive change to switch to those type of planes or live with the self imposed handicap. Granted, some of the best can make a good showing in FAI type maneuvers but when needing the 1 point advantage in a high K-Factor maneuver it does drive the contestants to seek the best sled that works for them. 

A good friend pointed out something I had lost sight of once.  He acquired a newer designed airplane to his stable that performed the maneuvers he was flying so much easier. The design choice alone was raising his scores by almost 1 point per maneuver. With only a little bit of practice with new plane. He never appreciated the handicap he self imposed until having better equipment. Heck.. I still have coreless servos and not a digital do I own..  How far behind am I? LOL.  

    Del 
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From: Dave Burton 
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Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 7:33 PM
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Del, I’ve never advocated doing away with the Master’s class. I only suggested adopting the most current FAI P maneuver schedule and fly Master’s as a separate class as we do today. Masters pilots would not be required to advance to the FAI class unless they chose to do so. Seems to me like it solves several problems. It allows a CD to have more flexibility in arranging flight lines, a larger pool of knowledgeable judges, eliminates the need for NSRCA (or others) to come up with a new schedule periodically for the Masters Class. I don’t think there is any difference in the difficulty level of the P schedule and the Masters schedule today and would not require any greater skill level than Masters does today IMO. 
Dave Burton
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