[NSRCA-discussion] Rudder Dual Rate

[John Pavlick]

Well try doing them so that you don't need to use the rudder! Plenty of time to learn that later when you have to do REAL slow rolls. Unless you fly really far out you have to do the 2 rolls pretty quick so that you don't miss center and / or rush the next maneuver and that makes it hard to integrate rudder. I know this sounds like a copout / shortcut / whatever but don't kill yourself trying to do something that isn't necessary. The goal is two clean looking rolls with constant rate, centered properly. That's about it. You're just opening yourself up to more things that can go wrong. If you must use the rudder in your rolls do it on the half rolls reversed. That looks pretty if you add top rudder and you have the room to do it without being rushed. Just don't forget to apply same-direction rudder both times. <LOL>

John Pavlick
2006 D1 402 District Champion
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Winston E Batchelor 
  To: NSRCA Mailing List 
  Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 11:43 PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rudder Dual Rate


  I've been flying Int for 2 years and STRUGGLING with the 2 rolls(as anyone who's seen me fly knows). AT my last contest I realized I had been leaving my Rudder on high rates the entire flight. Amazingly enough on low rate I didn't over control the rudder input in the rolls( yes I have been determined to do them integrated rudder-elevator-aileron)

  Now my point  - when I kept the rudder on low rates for the entire flight I also did better stall turns,  Go figure

  Eddie
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: JShulman 
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    Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 8:40 PM
    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rudder Dual Rate


    The high rate rudder with high expo will work, until you get into snaps. Then you might switch into high rate aileron with high expo and low rate rudder and elevator set-up. Switching for a stall turn seems less stressful than for a snap. But that's looking ahead.

    I have flown both the Sportsman and Intermediate with low rates on all surfaces. The "trick" to the stall turn on low rate is to NOT wait until the last minute to start adding rudder. I like to tell everyone it's like adding rudder like you would follow an expo curve. Little, little more, little more and then full (only when the plane will not fly over the top). It takes a bit of getting used to, but it works, all the way through to FAI also. I do have a high rate/high expo rudder set-up for rolling circles/loops (along with low rate aileron for 1 and 2 rollers) and those "O S" stall turns. I prefer the low rates on rudder and elevator cause now I don't have to flip switches for snaps.

    But ultimately it comes down to what YOU feel comfortable doing. After some practice, the rudder switch should become a motion rather than a thought.

    Regards,
    Jason
    www.jasonshulman.com
    www.shulmanaviation.com
    www.composite-arf.com 

      -----Original Message-----
      From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Bob Wilson
      Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 3:56 PM
      To: NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
      Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Rudder Dual Rate


      I'm working on the Intermediate pattern and have got a question on dual rates.
      Except for the stall turns I like to keep the rudder on a lower rate...this keeps me from over-controlling direction changes.
      On the two stall turn maneuvers, however,  I flip it to high rate, but then back again as soon as the maneuver is over.
      Just curious if anyone else does this, and, in fact, does anyone alternate between low and high rates while flying their respective sequences?  Or, am I generating a bad habit?


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