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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Well try doing them so that you don't need to use
the rudder! Plenty of time to learn that later when you have to do REAL
slow rolls. Unless you fly really far out you have to do the 2 rolls pretty
quick so that you don't miss center and / or rush the next maneuver and that
makes it hard to integrate rudder. I know this sounds like a copout /
shortcut / whatever but don't kill yourself trying to do something that isn't
necessary. The goal is two clean looking rolls with constant rate, centered
properly. That's about it. You're just opening yourself up to more
things that can go wrong. If you must use the rudder in your rolls do it on
the half rolls reversed. That looks pretty if you add top rudder and you have
the room to do it without being rushed. Just don't forget to apply
same-direction rudder both times. <LOL></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>John Pavlick<BR>2006 D1 402 District
Champion</DIV></FONT>
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<A title=perkinsrx@centurytel.net
href="mailto:perkinsrx@centurytel.net">Winston E Batchelor</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 08, 2007 11:43
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rudder
Dual Rate</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I've been flying Int for 2 years and STRUGGLING
with the 2 rolls(as anyone who's seen me fly knows). AT my last contest I
realized I had been leaving my Rudder on high rates the entire flight.
Amazingly enough on low rate I didn't over control the rudder input in the
rolls( yes I have been determined to do them integrated
rudder-elevator-aileron)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Now my point - when I kept the rudder
on low rates for the entire flight I also did better stall turns,
Go figure</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Eddie</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=jshulman@cfl.rr.com href="mailto:jshulman@cfl.rr.com">JShulman</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 08, 2007 8:40
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rudder
Dual Rate</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=970503301-09102007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>The high
rate rudder with high expo will work, until you get into snaps. Then you
might switch into high rate aileron with high expo and low rate rudder and
elevator set-up. Switching for a stall turn seems less stressful than for a
snap. But that's looking ahead.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=970503301-09102007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=970503301-09102007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>I have
flown both the Sportsman and Intermediate with low rates on all surfaces.
The "trick" to the stall turn on low rate is to NOT wait until the last
minute to start adding rudder. I like to tell everyone it's like adding
rudder like you would follow an expo curve. Little, little more, little more
and then full (only when the plane will not fly over the top). It takes a
bit of getting used to, but it works, all the way through to FAI also. I do
have a high rate/high expo rudder set-up for rolling circles/loops (along
with low rate aileron for 1 and 2 rollers) and those "O S" stall turns.
I prefer the low rates on rudder and elevator cause now I don't have to flip
switches for snaps.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=970503301-09102007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=970503301-09102007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>But
ultimately it comes down to what YOU feel comfortable doing. After some
practice, the rudder switch should become a motion rather than a
thought.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><FONT
size=2>Regards,<BR>Jason<BR>www.jasonshulman.com<BR>www.shulmanaviation.com<BR>www.composite-arf.com</FONT>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Bob
Wilson<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 08, 2007 3:56 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> [NSRCA-discussion]
Rudder Dual Rate<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>I'm working on the Intermediate pattern and have got a question
on dual rates.</DIV>
<DIV>Except for the stall turns I like to keep the rudder on a lower
rate...this keeps me from over-controlling direction changes.</DIV>
<DIV>On the two stall turn maneuvers, however, I flip it to high
rate, but then back again as soon as the maneuver is over.</DIV>
<DIV>Just curious if anyone else does this, and, in fact, does anyone
alternate between low and high rates while flying their respective
sequences? Or, am I generating a bad habit?</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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