[NSRCA-discussion] Airplane Weight Limits

[Courtney, Gary Ray]

cost that is the issue!!!!!!
 
 I want a Ferrari but budgetary constraints force me to drive a Toyota
 
 
gary

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Van
Putte
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 9:27 AM
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Airplane Weight Limits


It is said that you can't understand a person's problems until you've
walked a mile in their shoes.  John and I didn't understand what the
problems were regarding making weight with electric-powered airplanes
until he decided to compete with one.  I am still competing with a
glow-powered Focus. 

John's airplane is under 5 Kg, but not by much.  Due to an extensive
weight-saving building job on his Black Magic by Mike Hester and John's
careful selection and installation of radio, batteries, ESC, prop,
motor, spinner, et al, his airplane is OK with weight, even in the kind
of winds we often see at the Nats.  He's thinking about the guys who
can't afford as much $$$ as he has invested in his setup.  The average
guy probably can't build an electric-powered 2 meter airplane that makes
weight and is competitive with the kind of budget required for a
glow-powered version of the same airplane.  

Ron Van Putte 

The learning curve is very steep.  

On Jun 21, 2007, at 11:54 PM, Keith Black wrote:


	I fly electric but still would be against this proposal. 
	 
	John F. makes some good points in his justification, however, I
simply think that Dave's counter points out "weigh" John's points.
	
	 
	I think if you read Dave's post with an open mind and not a
pre-conceived "position" you feel you have to protect you'll find his
logic very compelling. 
	 
	BTW, I find this change of heart by you and John quite amusing.
This is probably unfair but it almost sounds as if one of you can't get
your new e-plane to make weight with the current rules. I'm sure that's
not true, but from the outside it certainly appears that way.
	 
	I hope the real reason for "floating" this idea was to get
people opinions. If so I'm beginning to see a trend.
	 
	Keith Black 
	 
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		From: Ron Van Putte <mailto:vanputte at cox.net>  
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		I was also not aware that glow-powered airplanes needed
the handicap they already have.  I agree that, with innovative design
and $$$, electric-powered airplanes can compete with glow-powered
airplanes.  The ones who suffer from the weight inequity are those who
can't afford the $$$ to overcome the weight inequity. 

		Ron Van Putte

		On Jun 21, 2007, at 6:59 PM, John Ferrell wrote:


			I did not realize that the Electrics were in
need of a handicap. They seem to be doing just fine against the recips
under current rules. 
			 
			If you really think they need a little help by
all means give them a rule book boost!
			 
			John Ferrell    W8CCW
			"Life is easier if you learn to plow 
			       around the stumps"
			http://DixieNC.US
			

				----- Original Message ----- 
				From: Ron Van Putte
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				Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:44 PM
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Weight Limits

				I just got this response from John
Fuqua.
				
				
				Ron Van Putte
				
				
				The guys are missing the point.  It is
not about what can be achieved on weight.  It is what is permitted by
the rules.  They are not arguing the logic of what the rules allow (in
most cases) but examples of what has been achieved.   Please make that
point. 

				 

				John


				
				

				From: Ron Van Putte
[mailto:vanputte at cox.net] 
				Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 1:18 PM
				To: Fuqua John D Mr CTR USAF 697 ARSF/EN
				Subject: Fwd: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd:
Electric Weight Proposal Logic and Rationale



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