[NSRCA-discussion] Airplane Weight Limits

[John Pavlick]

Gary, 
 Start looking for a used 308. You might be surprised...

John Pavlick
http://www.idseng.com
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Courtney, Gary Ray 
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  Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 10:48 AM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Airplane Weight Limits


  cost that is the issue!!!!!!

   I want a Ferrari but budgetary constraints force me to drive a Toyota


  gary



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  From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Van Putte
  Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 9:27 AM
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  It is said that you can't understand a person's problems until you've walked a mile in their shoes.  John and I didn't understand what the problems were regarding making weight with electric-powered airplanes until he decided to compete with one.  I am still competing with a glow-powered Focus. 


  John's airplane is under 5 Kg, but not by much.  Due to an extensive weight-saving building job on his Black Magic by Mike Hester and John's careful selection and installation of radio, batteries, ESC, prop, motor, spinner, et al, his airplane is OK with weight, even in the kind of winds we often see at the Nats.  He's thinking about the guys who can't afford as much $$$ as he has invested in his setup.  The average guy probably can't build an electric-powered 2 meter airplane that makes weight and is competitive with the kind of budget required for a glow-powered version of the same airplane.  


  Ron Van Putte 


  The learning curve is very steep.  

  On Jun 21, 2007, at 11:54 PM, Keith Black wrote:


    I fly electric but still would be against this proposal. 

    John F. makes some good points in his justification, however, I simply think that Dave's counter points out "weigh" John's points.

    I think if you read Dave's post with an open mind and not a pre-conceived "position" you feel you have to protect you'll find his logic very compelling. 

    BTW, I find this change of heart by you and John quite amusing. This is probably unfair but it almost sounds as if one of you can't get your new e-plane to make weight with the current rules. I'm sure that's not true, but from the outside it certainly appears that way.

    I hope the real reason for "floating" this idea was to get people opinions. If so I'm beginning to see a trend.

    Keith Black 

    ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Ron Van Putte 
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      Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 7:38 PM
      Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Airplane Weight Limits


      I was also not aware that glow-powered airplanes needed the handicap they already have.  I agree that, with innovative design and $$$, electric-powered airplanes can compete with glow-powered airplanes.  The ones who suffer from the weight inequity are those who can't afford the $$$ to overcome the weight inequity. 


      Ron Van Putte


      On Jun 21, 2007, at 6:59 PM, John Ferrell wrote:


        I did not realize that the Electrics were in need of a handicap. They seem to be doing just fine against the recips under current rules. 

        If you really think they need a little help by all means give them a rule book boost!

        John Ferrell    W8CCW
        "Life is easier if you learn to plow 
               around the stumps"
        http://DixieNC.US

          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: Ron Van Putte 
          To: NSRCA Mailing List 
          Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:44 PM
          Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Airplane Weight Limits


          I just got this response from John Fuqua.


          Ron Van Putte


          The guys are missing the point.  It is not about what can be achieved on weight.  It is what is permitted by the rules.  They are not arguing the logic of what the rules allow (in most cases) but examples of what has been achieved.   Please make that point. 


          John





          From: Ron Van Putte [mailto:vanputte at cox.net] 
          Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 1:18 PM
          To: Fuqua John D Mr CTR USAF 697 ARSF/EN
          Subject: Fwd: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Electric Weight Proposal Logic and Rationale




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