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color=#0000ff size=2>cost that is the issue!!!!!!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=184474414-22062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2> I want a Ferrari but budgetary constraints force
me to drive a Toyota</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2>gary</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Ron Van
Putte<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 22, 2007 9:27 AM<BR><B>To:</B> NSRCA Mailing
List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Airplane Weight
Limits<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>It is said that you can't understand a person's problems until you've
walked a mile in their shoes. John and I didn't understand what the
problems were regarding making weight with electric-powered airplanes until he
decided to compete with one. I am still competing with a glow-powered
Focus.
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<DIV>John's airplane is under 5 Kg, but not by much. Due to an extensive
weight-saving building job on his Black Magic by Mike Hester and John's careful
selection and installation of radio, batteries, ESC, prop, motor, spinner, et
al, his airplane is OK with weight, even in the kind of winds we often see at
the Nats. He's thinking about the guys who can't afford as much $$$ as he
has invested in his setup. The average guy probably can't build an
electric-powered 2 meter airplane that makes weight and is competitive with the
kind of budget required for a glow-powered version of the same
airplane. </DIV>
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<DIV>Ron Van Putte
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<DIV>The learning curve is very steep. <BR>
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<DIV>On Jun 21, 2007, at 11:54 PM, Keith Black wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I fly electric but still would be against this
proposal. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>John F. makes some good points in his
justification, however, I simply think that Dave's counter points out
"weigh" John's points.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think if you read Dave's post with an open mind
and not a pre-conceived "position" you feel you have to protect you'll find
his logic very compelling. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>BTW, I find this change of heart by you and John quite amusing. This is
probably unfair but it almost sounds as if one of you can't get your new
e-plane to make weight with the current rules. I'm sure that's not true, but
from the outside it certainly appears that way.</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I hope the real reason for "floating" this idea
was to get people opinions. If so I'm beginning to see a trend.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Keith Black</FONT> </DIV>
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<A title=vanputte@cox.net href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">Ron Van Putte</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 21, 2007 7:38
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Airplane Weight Limits</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I was also not aware that glow-powered airplanes needed the
handicap they already have. I agree that, with innovative design and
$$$, electric-powered airplanes can compete with glow-powered
airplanes. The ones who suffer from the weight inequity are those who
can't afford the $$$ to overcome the weight inequity.
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<DIV>Ron Van Putte</DIV>
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<DIV>On Jun 21, 2007, at 6:59 PM, John Ferrell wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I did not realize that the Electrics were in
need of a handicap. They seem to be doing just fine against the recips
under current rules. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If you really think they need a little help
by all means give them a rule book boost!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>John Ferrell W8CCW<BR>"Life is easier if you learn
to plow <BR> around the stumps"<BR><A
href="http://DixieNC.US">http://DixieNC.US</A><BR></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=vanputte@cox.net href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">Ron Van
Putte</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:44
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [NSRCA-discussion]
Airplane Weight Limits</DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>I
just got this response from John Fuqua.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>Ron
Van Putte</FONT></DIV>
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size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"><BR
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span color=#0000fc
size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">The guys are
missing the point. It is not about what can be achieved on
weight. It is what is permitted by the rules. They
are not arguing the logic of what the rules allow (in most cases) but
examples of what has been achieved. Please make that
point. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span color=#0000fc
size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">John</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Helvetica
size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"><B>From:</B></SPAN></FONT><FONT
class=Apple-style-span face=Helvetica size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"> Ron Van Putte [<A
href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">mailto:vanputte@cox.net</A>]</SPAN></FONT><FONT
class=Apple-style-span face=Helvetica size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"> </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Helvetica
size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"><B>Sent:</B></SPAN></FONT><FONT
class=Apple-style-span face=Helvetica size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"> Thursday, June 21, 2007
1:18 PM</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Helvetica
size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"><B>To:</B></SPAN></FONT><FONT
class=Apple-style-span face=Helvetica size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"> Fuqua John D Mr CTR USAF
697 ARSF/EN</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Helvetica
size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"><B>Subject:</B></SPAN></FONT><FONT
class=Apple-style-span face=Helvetica size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"> Fwd: [NSRCA-discussion]
Fwd: Electric Weight Proposal Logic and Rationale</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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