[NSRCA-discussion] Sinking shipSyndrome?Pleasereview'NSRCAMembers'

[J N Hiller]

I hear you. The presentation placement is supposed to be judged.
If I lived 2500 miles closer to you guys I would fly Ballistic Pattern. I
still have two OS61-VF’s with M carburetors, rebuilt and back in the box and
one is still tight. I could scratch build another Arrow (#8). I still have
the plans and core cutting templates. It has been over 20 years since I have
flown an eight-point roll out of the box on both ends at 105 DB and I flew
conservatively keeping it under 14,000 on the ground. I now may have trouble
seeing a half reverse cuban eight turnaround a third of a mile away. It was
fun but a bazillion of those turnarounds got kind of old.
Jim Hiller

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of JShulman
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I quit flying IMAC when they got rid of the box and center poles... Where is
the precision in a boxless flight area?

 Long low slow rolls, flying over the runway... www.ballisticpattern.com
<http://www.ballisticpattern.com/>  , with retracts and rear exhausts,
www.seniorpattern.com <http://www.seniorpattern.com/>  , fixed gear and no
rear exhaust. In the box and most anything flies... www.nsrca.org
<http://www.nsrca.org>

 Regards,
Jason
www.jasonshulman.com
www.shulmanaviation.com
www.composite-arf.com
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of J N Hiller
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Hmm, good idea, fly it where you can see it. Maybe it’s time to revisit the
150-degree box proposal or eliminate it as IMAC has.
Pattern has never been a spectator sport, too boring and repetitious. All
the airplanes look the same. The casual observer has no idea what we are
attempting to do. It helps to get out of our chairs and walk around and talk
to people. Make it easy for them to ask questions. Most will listen with
interest.
Jim Hiller

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Del K. Rykert
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 7:51 AM
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What got me hooked was watching a local practice in the olden days do a slow
roll 5 foot off the deck for 6 secs. Said to self...  Hmm  that looks
impressive, Wonder if I could learn to do that. This was done right over the
middle of the runway though. Those days are long gone. Sorry to say but the
way we fly today wouldn't have planted the hook for me. I flew full scale at
the time and didn't see any interest until seeing something I couldn't do
with my private ship. Had been flying R/C for at least 8 years at that time.

    Del
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From: Matthew Frederick <mailto:mjfrederick at cox.net>

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If it wasn't for my dad, I never would have thought of flying pattern... to
him, it was the only option!
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From: mike mueller <mailto:mups1953 at yahoo.com>

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 Pattern breeds pattern!!!! I like that. And parents of pattern flyers breed
new pattern flyers. How many in pattern today were introduced to RC and
pattern by a father? I was. Mike

Mike Hester < kerlock at comcast.net <mailto:kerlock at comcast.net> > wrote:
Been saying this forever, but sometimes it falls on deaf ears........
"pattern breeds pattern".

if there are no pattern flyers at your club, then fly pattern. No, most
won't be interested at first, but give them time....ONE will decide to give
it a shot. may take a few months, may take a few years. But once you get 2,
it turns into 4...then 8....etc. The key is being there and flying it and
NEVER speaking badly about it. you have to "sell" the idea that it's fun,
challenging, and they can DO IT.

Let's face it, in a club with 100 members, MAYBE 5 will ever be interested
in pursuing pattern. The time, money, discipline, etc that it takes to
actively compete is a level of participation and dedication that most people
do not have, and that's not a bad thing....toy planes. But we have to make
sure we reach those 5 and don't do anything stupid to burn them before they
get hooked.

Jack is a monster. He is going to be TOUGH. He was flying a 60-90 sized
plane and whipping 2 meters on a national level. Your average guy is going
to see that and say "I could never do that". But 5% are going to say "I WANT
to do that". Find em.

-Mike

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From: Bob Wilson <mailto:wilsorc at gmail.com>

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Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 9:40 AM
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Syndrome?Pleasereview'NSRCAMembers'

Insights from a long time RC flyer who has just joined NSRCA.
Most RC pilots don't understand pattern and don't want to look bad.  It's
easy to flippity-flop all over the sky, but disciplined flying is tough.
No one has ever required them to fly a straight line parallel to the runway.
Anything other than a loop or roll is alien.   Humpty's, Top-Hats, Figure M,
Cobra
you might as well talk Swahili.  If NSRCA is going to address falling
membership they need to educate the RC community at the ground level.   At
the Peoria RC Modelers we are trying hard to promote pattern.  Most
exciting, however, is a young man from China (Jack Li) who joined our club.
Jack is 16 and practiced pattern in China.  This year he competed in
"Intermediate" at Hoffman Estates and won first place.   His subsequent
visit to the NATS resulted in an Intermediate 2nd place.  Next year he will
be competing at the "Masters" level.  Our club is taking a new look at
Pattern and beginning to wake up.  A recent club "Mini Pattern" event had 10
competitors.  Hopefully, we will build on this and get more people into
serious competition, but we really feel that education and emphasis on the
Sportsman sequence is the key to bringing in new blood.

Bob Wilson
VP
Peoria RC Modelers

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