[NSRCA-discussion] Sinking shipSyndrome?Pleasereview'NSRCAMembers'

Fri Aug 24 09:49:01 AKDT 2007

Jason,
After watching the Don Lowe Masters where there were manuevers that 
could be centered, even though there wasn't a box, and then going to 
the Tucson Shootout, where you couldn't really center anything, I have 
to agree with you.  Centering is a key part of the precision in what we 
do (or at least what you do!).  And I really don't want to see us go to 
IMAC style sequences which seem to have 5 partial snaps in every 
manuever, without any gracefullness at all.  Frankly, the Shootout 
sequences were ugly.

I've suggested to my Dad that they add centering back to the 
reincarnated DLM for all of the reasons you cite.  Whether they will or 
not, I don't know.  They fly IMAC style airplanes, but the sequences 
are more FAI style.  Centering would give more of a level playing field 
to all competitors, rather than favoring one group or another.

Even in the ballistic pattern days, centering was a key judging 
criteria.  I don't see how eliminating it would add to anything in 
terms of marketability.

Jon Lowe

-----Original Message-----
From: JShulman <jshulman at cfl.rr.com>
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Sent: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 11:53 am
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I quit flying IMAC when they got rid of the box and center poles... 
Where is the precision in a boxless flight area? 

 Long low slow rolls, flying over the runway... 
www.ballisticpattern.com , with retracts and rear exhausts, 
www.seniorpattern.com , fixed gear and no rear exhaust. In the box and 
most anything flies... www.nsrca.org  

 Regards,
Jason
www.jasonshulman.com
www.shulmanaviation.com
www.composite-arf.com

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of J N Hiller
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 11:25 AM
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Hmm, good idea, fly it where you can see it. Maybe it’s time to revisit 
the 150-degree box proposal or eliminate it as IMAC has.

Pattern has never been a spectator sport, too boring and repetitious. 
All the airplanes look the same. The casual observer has no idea what 
we are attempting to do. It helps to get out of our chairs and walk 
around and talk to people. Make it easy for them to ask questions. Most 
will listen with interest.

Jim Hiller

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Del K. 
Rykert
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 7:51 AM
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What got me hooked was watching a local practice in the olden days do a 
slow roll 5 foot off the deck for 6 secs. Said to self...  Hmm  that 
looks impressive, Wonder if I could learn to do that. This was done 
right over the middle of the runway though. Those days are long gone. 
Sorry to say but the way we fly today wouldn't have planted the hook 
for me. I flew full scale at the time and didn't see any interest until 
seeing something I couldn't do with my private ship. Had been flying 
R/C for at least 8 years at that time.

    Del

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From: Matthew Frederick

From: Matthew Frederick

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Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 7:58 PM

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If it wasn't for my dad, I never would have thought of flying 
pattern... to him, it was the only option!

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From: mike mueller

From: mike mueller

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Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 9:32 AM

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 Pattern breeds pattern!!!! I like that. And parents of pattern flyers 
breed new pattern flyers. How many in pattern today were introduced to 
RC and pattern by a father? I was. Mike

Mike Hester <kerlock at comcast.net> wrote:

Been saying this forever, but sometimes it falls on deaf ears........ 
"pattern breeds pattern".

if there are no pattern flyers at your club, then fly pattern. No, most 
won't be interested at first, but give them time....ONE will decide to 
give it a shot. may take a few months, may take a few years. But once 
you get 2, it turns into 4...then 8....etc. The key is being there and 
flying it and NEVER speaking badly about it. you have to "sell" the 
idea that it's fun, challenging, and they can DO IT.

Let's face it, in a club with 100 members, MAYBE 5 will ever be 
interested in pursuing pattern. The time, money, discipline, etc that 
it takes to actively compete is a level of participation and dedication 
that most people do not have, and that's not a bad thing....toy planes. 
But we have to make sure we reach those 5 and don't do anything stupid 
to burn them before they get hooked.

Jack is a monster. He is going to be TOUGH. He was flying a 60-90 sized 
plane and whipping 2 meters on a national level. Your average guy is 
going to see that and say "I could never do that". But 5% are going to 
say "I WANT to do that". Find em.

-Mike

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From: Bob Wilson

From: Bob Wilson

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Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 9:40 AM

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Syndrome?Pleasereview'NSRCAMembers'

Insights from a long time RC flyer who has just joined NSRCA.

Most RC pilots don't understand pattern and don't want to look bad.  
It's easy to flippity-flop all over the sky, but disciplined flying is 
tough.   No one has ever required them to fly a straight line parallel 
to the runway.  Anything other than a loop or roll is alien.   
Humpty's, Top-Hats, Figure M, Cobra…you might as well talk Swahili.  If 
NSRCA is going to address falling membership they need to educate the 
RC community at the ground level.   At the Peoria RC Modelers we are 
trying hard to promote pattern.  Most exciting, however, is a young man 
 from China (Jack Li) who joined our club.   Jack is 16 and practiced 
pattern in China.  This year he competed in "Intermediate" at Hoffman 
Estates and won first place.   His subsequent visit to the NATS 
resulted in an Intermediate 2nd place.  Next year he will be competing 
at the "Masters" level.  Our club is taking a new look at Pattern and 
beginning to wake up.  A recent club "Mini Pattern" event had 10 
competitors.  Hopefully, we will build on this and get more people into 
serious competition, but we really feel that education and emphasis on 
the Sportsman sequence is the key to bringing in new blood.

Bob Wilson

VP

Peoria RC Modelers

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