[NSRCA-discussion] Advancement

Fri Aug 24 06:53:23 AKDT 2007

Please read my other post on that thought Matt.

    Del

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Matthew Frederick" <mjfrederick at cox.net>
To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Advancement

> Casual competitors (such as myself, for now) by definition probably will 
> never attain enough points to be forced up (except out of Novice). The way I 
> see it, the casual competitor really doesn't practice enough to win first 
> place every time out, but they practice enough to make a decent showing. 
> They also probably don't make the effort to go to more than 4 or 5 contests 
> a year. Probably finish in the top 5, maybe sneak in a 3rd or 2nd every now 
> and then, but when you're only beating 3-5 people each time out, the points 
> don't add up all that fast. I myself am toying with moving up to Advanced 
> just to fly a different pattern, that and I can do a better slow roll than I 
> can do 2 horizontals. I don't think pattern chases away "casual 
> competitors," they just eventually begin to blend in with everyone else who 
> has Cool Power 30% Heli running through their veins (no offense to the 
> electric guys... but be all have electrons bouncing around inside). If 
> someone is chased off because they didn't want to move up the "competitor" 
> part of that term does not apply.
> 
> Matt
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Anthony Romano" <anthonyr105 at hotmail.com>
> To: <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 4:45 PM
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Advancement
> 
> 
>> Just a casual thought here since things have taken a much more civil tone.
>>
>> How many "casual competitors" have we chase away with the advancement rule
>> vs how many "Sandbaggers" have been prevented.
>>
>> My thinking is drop it all together! Everybody in the pool!
>>
>> Anthony
>>
>>
>>>From: Mark Atwood <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
>>>Reply-To: NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>To: NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] [Fwd: Proposal]
>>>Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:19:01 -0400
>>>
>>>I think this really only speaks to not being forced to move up.  Period.
>>>Del is making the point that it has to stay "fun" for more than just the
>>>top
>>>guys.
>>>
>>>We have a number in our district that have "Fun" being a casual
>>>competitor...I'll bet most districts do. They ALL fly masters.  Why?
>>>Because they can camp there.  They are serious enough, or have time 
>>>enough,
>>>or talent enough to have fun at that level.  Most can win a round here and
>>>there, some win regularly, some don't , all have fun.
>>>
>>>The problem is that we don't have the same group for Advanced.  Those that
>>>have a little less time, a little less talent, etc.  They have fun until
>>>they point out...and then someone pushes them to Masters where they really
>>>don't belong and they quit.  Can't move back, and don't have fun bringing
>>>up
>>>the bottom ALWAYS in masters.
>>>
>>>Same is true of Intemediate. There are those that would stay there happily
>>>until pattern retirement.  They'd win some, lose some, watch others pass
>>>them by, but at no time are they comfortable flying advanced.  Etc etc 
>>>etc.
>>>
>>>We've beat this to death.  Unfortunately someone out there is scared of 
>>>the
>>>almight "Sandbagger" that's going to suck up allll the valuable hardware 
>>>in
>>>a lower class because they suck to much to beat them.  THAT person is the
>>>one we should not be catering too...
>>>
>>>-Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>On 8/23/07 4:23 PM, "seefo at san.rr.com" <seefo at san.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > What exactly is a casual competitor?
>>> >
>>> > I'm being serious here. Someone who doesn't put in the time necessary
>>> > to be at their best cannot expect to win contests, and you certainly
>>> > cannot change the sport so these people CAN win. Most of us have other
>>> > things to do that take up our time. That's life. I can't practice every
>>> > day, but at the same time, I don't expect Quique, Andrew, or Jason, or
>>> > anyone else to make concessions to me because they can and do put in
>>> > the time.
>>> >
>>> > A person who cannot devote the time necessary to be at the top of their
>>> > game, should have enough character and intelligence to accept that
>>> > fact. At that point they have 3 choices.
>>> >
>>> > 1) Compete and HAVE FUN at the level they can currently.
>>> > 2) Devote more time and energy to the competition and get better.
>>> > 3) Move on to something else.
>>> >
>>> > People need to remember that competition is, and SHOULD BE unforgiving
>>> > of excuses.
>>> >
>>> > -Doug
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "Del K. Rykert" <drykert2 at rochester.rr.com>
>>> > Date: Thursday, August 23, 2007 12:38 pm
>>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] [Fwd: Proposal]
>>> > To: NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> >
>>> >> These are all great but, I see nothing changing to stop driving
>>> >> away the casual competitor. If the organization and sport wants to
>>> >> truly grow that area is long overdue. We need their numbers and
>>> >> help at fielding contests.
>>> >>
>>> >>    Del
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