[NSRCA-discussion] Advancement
Del K. Rykert
drykert2 at rochester.rr.com
Fri Aug 24 07:26:35 AKDT 2007
For some reason it never made it through apparently.
Del
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Hi Doug..
I concur and don't mean to infer that at all.. What I am attempting to do is to make more people realize that some decisions are made only to make it more interesting for themselves or their perception for the other people that come to compete at a contest. Course we are only addressing those that at least make the effort to show and support contests.
What I am stating, I have heard repeatedly over the years heard that many, including some of my friends, have not attended contests because of another new change in schedule, weather has been bad when they do have window to get out and still haven't flown a gallon of fuel for the new competition season. They refuse to make the expense in time and money when they still haven't checked their equipment let alone their reflexes honed to show up at a contest. Winning or being 3rd is not the issues. Doing fairly well by their own standards they set for themselves is. Work/family/weather all play a factor. When the competition group is driving for the majority of the most competitive of the participants it leaves many of the casual competitors behind. Is that what we truly want? If we are going to address increasing the numbers that compete and possibly join the NSRCA if they don't have issues with the organization then my opinion is we don't need to cater to the few who are the most vocal about changes needed in the AMA classes... When was last time anyone dropped out for lack of change.. Many have dropped out for not being able to keep up.. My contention is that many of those causal participants also help run contests and help bolster the numbers that compete at contest.. When some clubs have to stop offering for lack of participants then I say it needs looking at. End of my thoughts on that.
Del
Original Message -----
From: Del K. Rykert
To: NSRCA Mailing List
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Advancement
Please read my other post on that thought Matt.
Del
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matthew Frederick" <mjfrederick at cox.net>
To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Advancement
> Casual competitors (such as myself, for now) by definition probably will
> never attain enough points to be forced up (except out of Novice). The way I
> see it, the casual competitor really doesn't practice enough to win first
> place every time out, but they practice enough to make a decent showing.
> They also probably don't make the effort to go to more than 4 or 5 contests
> a year. Probably finish in the top 5, maybe sneak in a 3rd or 2nd every now
> and then, but when you're only beating 3-5 people each time out, the points
> don't add up all that fast. I myself am toying with moving up to Advanced
> just to fly a different pattern, that and I can do a better slow roll than I
> can do 2 horizontals. I don't think pattern chases away "casual
> competitors," they just eventually begin to blend in with everyone else who
> has Cool Power 30% Heli running through their veins (no offense to the
> electric guys... but be all have electrons bouncing around inside). If
> someone is chased off because they didn't want to move up the "competitor"
> part of that term does not apply.
>
> Matt
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anthony Romano" <anthonyr105 at hotmail.com>
> To: <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 4:45 PM
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Advancement
>
>
>> Just a casual thought here since things have taken a much more civil tone.
>>
>> How many "casual competitors" have we chase away with the advancement rule
>> vs how many "Sandbaggers" have been prevented.
>>
>> My thinking is drop it all together! Everybody in the pool!
>>
>> Anthony
>>
>>
>>>From: Mark Atwood <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
>>>Reply-To: NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>To: NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] [Fwd: Proposal]
>>>Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:19:01 -0400
>>>
>>>I think this really only speaks to not being forced to move up. Period.
>>>Del is making the point that it has to stay "fun" for more than just the
>>>top
>>>guys.
>>>
>>>We have a number in our district that have "Fun" being a casual
>>>competitor...I'll bet most districts do. They ALL fly masters. Why?
>>>Because they can camp there. They are serious enough, or have time
>>>enough,
>>>or talent enough to have fun at that level. Most can win a round here and
>>>there, some win regularly, some don't , all have fun.
>>>
>>>The problem is that we don't have the same group for Advanced. Those that
>>>have a little less time, a little less talent, etc. They have fun until
>>>they point out...and then someone pushes them to Masters where they really
>>>don't belong and they quit. Can't move back, and don't have fun bringing
>>>up
>>>the bottom ALWAYS in masters.
>>>
>>>Same is true of Intemediate. There are those that would stay there happily
>>>until pattern retirement. They'd win some, lose some, watch others pass
>>>them by, but at no time are they comfortable flying advanced. Etc etc
>>>etc.
>>>
>>>We've beat this to death. Unfortunately someone out there is scared of
>>>the
>>>almight "Sandbagger" that's going to suck up allll the valuable hardware
>>>in
>>>a lower class because they suck to much to beat them. THAT person is the
>>>one we should not be catering too...
>>>
>>>-Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>On 8/23/07 4:23 PM, "seefo at san.rr.com" <seefo at san.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > What exactly is a casual competitor?
>>> >
>>> > I'm being serious here. Someone who doesn't put in the time necessary
>>> > to be at their best cannot expect to win contests, and you certainly
>>> > cannot change the sport so these people CAN win. Most of us have other
>>> > things to do that take up our time. That's life. I can't practice every
>>> > day, but at the same time, I don't expect Quique, Andrew, or Jason, or
>>> > anyone else to make concessions to me because they can and do put in
>>> > the time.
>>> >
>>> > A person who cannot devote the time necessary to be at the top of their
>>> > game, should have enough character and intelligence to accept that
>>> > fact. At that point they have 3 choices.
>>> >
>>> > 1) Compete and HAVE FUN at the level they can currently.
>>> > 2) Devote more time and energy to the competition and get better.
>>> > 3) Move on to something else.
>>> >
>>> > People need to remember that competition is, and SHOULD BE unforgiving
>>> > of excuses.
>>> >
>>> > -Doug
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "Del K. Rykert" <drykert2 at rochester.rr.com>
>>> > Date: Thursday, August 23, 2007 12:38 pm
>>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] [Fwd: Proposal]
>>> > To: NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> >
>>> >> These are all great but, I see nothing changing to stop driving
>>> >> away the casual competitor. If the organization and sport wants to
>>> >> truly grow that area is long overdue. We need their numbers and
>>> >> help at fielding contests.
>>> >>
>>> >> Del
>>> >
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