[NSRCA-discussion] Advancement

[Matthew Frederick]

Casual competitors (such as myself, for now) by definition probably will 
never attain enough points to be forced up (except out of Novice). The way I 
see it, the casual competitor really doesn't practice enough to win first 
place every time out, but they practice enough to make a decent showing. 
They also probably don't make the effort to go to more than 4 or 5 contests 
a year. Probably finish in the top 5, maybe sneak in a 3rd or 2nd every now 
and then, but when you're only beating 3-5 people each time out, the points 
don't add up all that fast. I myself am toying with moving up to Advanced 
just to fly a different pattern, that and I can do a better slow roll than I 
can do 2 horizontals. I don't think pattern chases away "casual 
competitors," they just eventually begin to blend in with everyone else who 
has Cool Power 30% Heli running through their veins (no offense to the 
electric guys... but be all have electrons bouncing around inside). If 
someone is chased off because they didn't want to move up the "competitor" 
part of that term does not apply.

Matt

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Anthony Romano" <anthonyr105 at hotmail.com>
To: <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 4:45 PM
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Advancement


> Just a casual thought here since things have taken a much more civil tone.
>
> How many "casual competitors" have we chase away with the advancement rule
> vs how many "Sandbaggers" have been prevented.
>
> My thinking is drop it all together! Everybody in the pool!
>
> Anthony
>
>
>>From: Mark Atwood <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
>>Reply-To: NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>To: NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] [Fwd: Proposal]
>>Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:19:01 -0400
>>
>>I think this really only speaks to not being forced to move up.  Period.
>>Del is making the point that it has to stay "fun" for more than just the
>>top
>>guys.
>>
>>We have a number in our district that have "Fun" being a casual
>>competitor...I'll bet most districts do. They ALL fly masters.  Why?
>>Because they can camp there.  They are serious enough, or have time 
>>enough,
>>or talent enough to have fun at that level.  Most can win a round here and
>>there, some win regularly, some don't , all have fun.
>>
>>The problem is that we don't have the same group for Advanced.  Those that
>>have a little less time, a little less talent, etc.  They have fun until
>>they point out...and then someone pushes them to Masters where they really
>>don't belong and they quit.  Can't move back, and don't have fun bringing
>>up
>>the bottom ALWAYS in masters.
>>
>>Same is true of Intemediate. There are those that would stay there happily
>>until pattern retirement.  They'd win some, lose some, watch others pass
>>them by, but at no time are they comfortable flying advanced.  Etc etc 
>>etc.
>>
>>We've beat this to death.  Unfortunately someone out there is scared of 
>>the
>>almight "Sandbagger" that's going to suck up allll the valuable hardware 
>>in
>>a lower class because they suck to much to beat them.  THAT person is the
>>one we should not be catering too...
>>
>>-Mark
>>
>>
>>On 8/23/07 4:23 PM, "seefo at san.rr.com" <seefo at san.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> > What exactly is a casual competitor?
>> >
>> > I'm being serious here. Someone who doesn't put in the time necessary
>> > to be at their best cannot expect to win contests, and you certainly
>> > cannot change the sport so these people CAN win. Most of us have other
>> > things to do that take up our time. That's life. I can't practice every
>> > day, but at the same time, I don't expect Quique, Andrew, or Jason, or
>> > anyone else to make concessions to me because they can and do put in
>> > the time.
>> >
>> > A person who cannot devote the time necessary to be at the top of their
>> > game, should have enough character and intelligence to accept that
>> > fact. At that point they have 3 choices.
>> >
>> > 1) Compete and HAVE FUN at the level they can currently.
>> > 2) Devote more time and energy to the competition and get better.
>> > 3) Move on to something else.
>> >
>> > People need to remember that competition is, and SHOULD BE unforgiving
>> > of excuses.
>> >
>> > -Doug
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Del K. Rykert" <drykert2 at rochester.rr.com>
>> > Date: Thursday, August 23, 2007 12:38 pm
>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] [Fwd: Proposal]
>> > To: NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> >
>> >> These are all great but, I see nothing changing to stop driving
>> >> away the casual competitor. If the organization and sport wants to
>> >> truly grow that area is long overdue. We need their numbers and
>> >> help at fielding contests.
>> >>
>> >>    Del
>> >
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