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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Please read my other post on that
thought Matt.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> <EM> <FONT
color=#800000>Del</FONT></EM></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "Matthew Frederick" <</FONT><A
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <</FONT><A
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 8:21
PM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Advancement</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> Casual competitors (such as myself, for now) by definition probably
will <BR>> never attain enough points to be forced up (except out of Novice).
The way I <BR>> see it, the casual competitor really doesn't practice enough
to win first <BR>> place every time out, but they practice enough to make a
decent showing. <BR>> They also probably don't make the effort to go to more
than 4 or 5 contests <BR>> a year. Probably finish in the top 5, maybe sneak
in a 3rd or 2nd every now <BR>> and then, but when you're only beating 3-5
people each time out, the points <BR>> don't add up all that fast. I myself
am toying with moving up to Advanced <BR>> just to fly a different pattern,
that and I can do a better slow roll than I <BR>> can do 2 horizontals. I
don't think pattern chases away "casual <BR>> competitors," they just
eventually begin to blend in with everyone else who <BR>> has Cool Power 30%
Heli running through their veins (no offense to the <BR>> electric guys...
but be all have electrons bouncing around inside). If <BR>> someone is chased
off because they didn't want to move up the "competitor" <BR>> part of that
term does not apply.<BR>> <BR>> Matt<BR>> <BR>> ----- Original
Message ----- <BR>> From: "Anthony Romano" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:anthonyr105@hotmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>anthonyr105@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>>
To: <</FONT><A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 4:45 PM<BR>> Subject:
[NSRCA-discussion] Advancement<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>> Just a casual
thought here since things have taken a much more civil
tone.<BR>>><BR>>> How many "casual competitors" have we chase away
with the advancement rule<BR>>> vs how many "Sandbaggers" have been
prevented.<BR>>><BR>>> My thinking is drop it all together!
Everybody in the pool!<BR>>><BR>>>
Anthony<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>>From: Mark Atwood <</FONT><A
href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>atwoodm@paragon-inc.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>>Reply-To: NSRCA Mailing List <</FONT><A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>>To: NSRCA Mailing List <</FONT><A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] [Fwd:
Proposal]<BR>>>>Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:19:01
-0400<BR>>>><BR>>>>I think this really only speaks to not
being forced to move up. Period.<BR>>>>Del is making the point
that it has to stay "fun" for more than just
the<BR>>>>top<BR>>>>guys.<BR>>>><BR>>>>We
have a number in our district that have "Fun" being a
casual<BR>>>>competitor...I'll bet most districts do. They ALL fly
masters. Why?<BR>>>>Because they can camp there. They are
serious enough, or have time <BR>>>>enough,<BR>>>>or talent
enough to have fun at that level. Most can win a round here
and<BR>>>>there, some win regularly, some don't , all have
fun.<BR>>>><BR>>>>The problem is that we don't have the same
group for Advanced. Those that<BR>>>>have a little less time, a
little less talent, etc. They have fun until<BR>>>>they point
out...and then someone pushes them to Masters where they
really<BR>>>>don't belong and they quit. Can't move back, and
don't have fun bringing<BR>>>>up<BR>>>>the bottom ALWAYS in
masters.<BR>>>><BR>>>>Same is true of Intemediate. There are
those that would stay there happily<BR>>>>until pattern
retirement. They'd win some, lose some, watch others
pass<BR>>>>them by, but at no time are they comfortable flying
advanced. Etc etc
<BR>>>>etc.<BR>>>><BR>>>>We've beat this to
death. Unfortunately someone out there is scared of
<BR>>>>the<BR>>>>almight "Sandbagger" that's going to suck up
allll the valuable hardware <BR>>>>in<BR>>>>a lower class
because they suck to much to beat them. THAT person is
the<BR>>>>one we should not be catering
too...<BR>>>><BR>>>>-Mark<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>On
8/23/07 4:23 PM, "</FONT><A href="mailto:seefo@san.rr.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>seefo@san.rr.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:seefo@san.rr.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>seefo@san.rr.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>
wrote:<BR>>>><BR>>>> > What exactly is a casual
competitor?<BR>>>> ><BR>>>> > I'm being serious here.
Someone who doesn't put in the time necessary<BR>>>> > to be at
their best cannot expect to win contests, and you certainly<BR>>>> >
cannot change the sport so these people CAN win. Most of us have
other<BR>>>> > things to do that take up our time. That's life. I
can't practice every<BR>>>> > day, but at the same time, I don't
expect Quique, Andrew, or Jason, or<BR>>>> > anyone else to make
concessions to me because they can and do put in<BR>>>> > the
time.<BR>>>> ><BR>>>> > A person who cannot devote the
time necessary to be at the top of their<BR>>>> > game, should have
enough character and intelligence to accept that<BR>>>> > fact. At
that point they have 3 choices.<BR>>>> ><BR>>>> > 1)
Compete and HAVE FUN at the level they can currently.<BR>>>> > 2)
Devote more time and energy to the competition and get better.<BR>>>>
> 3) Move on to something else.<BR>>>> ><BR>>>> >
People need to remember that competition is, and SHOULD BE
unforgiving<BR>>>> > of excuses.<BR>>>>
><BR>>>> > -Doug<BR>>>> ><BR>>>>
><BR>>>> ><BR>>>> > ----- Original Message
-----<BR>>>> > From: "Del K. Rykert" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:drykert2@rochester.rr.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>drykert2@rochester.rr.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>> > Date: Thursday, August 23, 2007 12:38
pm<BR>>>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] [Fwd:
Proposal]<BR>>>> > To: NSRCA Mailing List <</FONT><A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>> ><BR>>>> >> These are all great
but, I see nothing changing to stop driving<BR>>>> >> away the
casual competitor. If the organization and sport wants to<BR>>>>
>> truly grow that area is long overdue. We need their numbers
and<BR>>>> >> help at fielding contests.<BR>>>>
>><BR>>>> >> Del<BR>>>>
><BR>>>> >
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