[NSRCA-discussion] Advancement: let's wrap it up
John Gayer
jgghome at comcast.net
Wed Aug 15 15:52:43 AKDT 2007
We used to(long time ago) have a card that would be signed off by the
CD. We used to look at advancement as something to be earned and made
sure we got the points posted on the card.
John
Ron Van Putte wrote:
> AMA does not track advancement points.
>
> Ron Van Putte
>
> On Aug 15, 2007, at 5:34 PM, Matthew Frederick wrote:
>
>> I was under the impression that contest results were forwarded to the
>> AMA by the CD, and that it was incumbent on the AMA and the
>> individual to track their own AMA points. Am I mistaken?
>>
>> Matt
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Fred Huber <mailto:fhhuber at clearwire.net>
>> *To:* NSRCA Mailing List <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 15, 2007 12:16 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Advancement: let's wrap it up
>>
>> Actually... we need to include non-NSRCA Pattern flyers in the
>> recordskeeping if there is going to be a points system forcing
>> moving up.
>>
>> No recordkeeping...then the system is meaningless.
>>
>> Recordkeeping only for NSRCA members = members end up at a
>> disadvantage to the sandbaggers who aren't members.
>>
>> NSRCA is the Special Interest Group REPREASENTING Pattern to the
>> AMA... but membership is not required to comnpete in Pattern.
>>
>> You can petition the AMA to require membership to compete in
>> Pattern (lead balloon)
>> or
>> you can just deal with the paperwork involved in handling the
>> point system for non-paying Pattern flyers...
>> or
>> you can just drop the point system totally.
>>
>> Right now... there are 2 reasons for people to join NSRCA:
>> Support the SIG.... or... attempt to get the District champ awards.
>>
>> The old 80%/20% rule applies... 20% of the active members do all
>> the work so that the other 80% can enjoy the hobby.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* twtaylor <mailto:twtaylor at ftc-i.net>
>> *To:* 'NSRCA Mailing List'
>> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 15, 2007 6:18 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Advancement: let's wrap it up
>>
>> Lance one minor point that would kill the District Champion
>> idea, Not all pattern fliers are NSRCA members. We’d have to
>> include non-members in the point chase and that’s not fair.
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf
>> Of *Lance Van Nostrand
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 15, 2007 12:59 AM
>> *To:* NSRCA Mailing List
>> *Subject:* [NSRCA-discussion] Advancement: let's wrap it up
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.modelaircraft.org/PDF-files/333.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>> Here's the rules proposal form. If we can get one or three
>> people to fill it in and post it for review here maybe this
>> discussion will result in something.
>>
>>
>>
>> Here's a summary of what I think I've read (beware of severe
>> summarizing):
>>
>> Advancement rules based on hard numbers (like 100 points) are
>> wrong because some people go to more contests or some
>> districts have more pilots. A system based on percentages
>> would be better. We've heard a comparison to a national
>> average (need an implementable procedure to accurately
>> compute this), force up of the district champs, and
>> accumulating the raw scores for the year into averages that
>> can be compared.
>>
>>
>>
>> We've also heard of simply tracking and publishing points and
>> letting heckling take care of the rest (really need a 3 or 4
>> year window on this to allow one to level off before
>> masters). Note: this was the way it was 4 years ago, but
>> that was before every district could post points on their
>> website. It didn't work then.
>>
>>
>>
>> Several recommendations to increase the points above 100, but
>> this is really just an adjustment for the size of the
>> district so if this can be modified into a way to calculate
>> an advancement number by district, maybe it could work.
>>
>>
>>
>> --Lance
>>
>>
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