[NSRCA-discussion] Advancement: let's wrap it up

[J N Hiller]

Hay Ron, I remember that. I remember doing that.
Jim Hiller

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of John Gayer
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We used to(long time ago) have a card that would be signed off by the CD. We
used to look at advancement as something to be earned and made sure we got
the points posted on the card.
John

Ron Van Putte wrote:
AMA does not track advancement points.

Ron Van Putte

On Aug 15, 2007, at 5:34 PM, Matthew Frederick wrote:



I was under the impression that contest results were forwarded to the AMA by
the CD, and that it was incumbent on the AMA and the individual to track
their own AMA points. Am I mistaken?

Matt
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Actually... we need to include non-NSRCA Pattern flyers in the
recordskeeping if there is going to be a points system forcing moving up.

No recordkeeping...then the system is meaningless.

Recordkeeping only for NSRCA members = members end up at a disadvantage to
the sandbaggers who aren't members.

NSRCA is the Special Interest Group REPREASENTING Pattern to the AMA... but
membership is not required to comnpete in Pattern.

You can petition the AMA to require membership to compete in Pattern (lead
balloon)
or
you can just deal with the paperwork involved in handling the point system
for non-paying Pattern flyers...
or
you can just drop the point system totally.

Right now... there are 2 reasons for people to join NSRCA:  Support the
SIG.... or... attempt to get the District champ awards.

The old 80%/20% rule applies... 20% of the active members do all the work so
that the other 80% can enjoy the hobby.
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Lance one minor point that would kill the District Champion idea, Not all
pattern fliers are NSRCA members. We’d have to include non-members in the
point chase and that’s not fair.

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mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Lance Van
Nostrand
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http://www.modelaircraft.org/PDF-files/333.pdf

Here's the rules proposal form.  If we can get one or three people to fill
it in and post it for review here maybe this discussion will result in
something.

Here's a summary of what I think I've read (beware of severe summarizing):
Advancement rules based on hard numbers (like 100 points) are wrong because
some people go to more contests or some districts have more pilots.  A
system based on percentages would be better.  We've heard a comparison to a
national average (need an implementable procedure to accurately compute
this), force up of the district champs, and accumulating the raw scores for
the year into averages that can be compared.

We've also heard of simply tracking and publishing points and letting
heckling take care of the rest (really need a 3 or 4 year window on this to
allow one to level off before masters).  Note: this was the way it was 4
years ago, but that was before every district could post points on their
website.  It didn't work then.

Several recommendations to increase the points above 100, but this is really
just an adjustment for the size of the district so if this can be modified
into a way to calculate an advancement number by district, maybe it could
work.

--Lance

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