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We used to(long time ago) have a card that would be signed off by the
CD. We used to look at advancement as something to be earned and made
sure we got the points posted on the card.<br>
John<br>
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Ron Van Putte wrote:
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type="cite">AMA does not track advancement points.
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<div>Ron Van Putte</div>
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<div>On Aug 15, 2007, at 5:34 PM, Matthew Frederick wrote:</div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I was under the impression that
contest results were forwarded to the AMA by the CD, and that it was
incumbent on the AMA and the individual to track their own AMA points.
Am I mistaken?</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Matt</font></div>
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<a title="fhhuber@clearwire.net"
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Wednesday, August 15, 2007 12:16 PM</div>
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Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Advancement: let's wrap it up</div>
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<div><font size="2">Actually... we need to include non-NSRCA
Pattern flyers in the recordskeeping if there is going to be a points
system forcing moving up.</font></div>
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<div><font size="2">No recordkeeping...then the system is
meaningless.</font></div>
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<div><font size="2">Recordkeeping only for NSRCA members =
members end up at a disadvantage to the sandbaggers who aren't members.</font></div>
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<div><font size="2">NSRCA is the Special Interest Group
REPREASENTING Pattern to the AMA... but membership is not required to
comnpete in Pattern. </font></div>
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<div><font size="2">You can petition the AMA to require
membership to compete in Pattern (lead balloon) </font></div>
<div><font size="2">or </font></div>
<div><font size="2">you can just deal with the paperwork involved
in handling the point system for non-paying Pattern flyers... </font></div>
<div><font size="2">or </font></div>
<div><font size="2">you can just drop the point system totally.</font></div>
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<div><font size="2">Right now... there are 2 reasons for people
to join NSRCA: Support the SIG.... or... attempt to get the District
champ awards.</font></div>
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<div><font size="2">The old 80%/20% rule applies... 20% of the
active members do all the work so that the other 80% can enjoy the
hobby.</font></div>
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Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Advancement: let's wrap it up</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">Lance one
minor point that would kill the District Champion idea, Not all pattern
fliers are NSRCA members. We’d have to include non-members in the point
chase and that’s not fair.<O:P></O:P></span></font></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Lance
Van Nostrand<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday,
August 15, 2007 12:59 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> <ST1:PERSONNAME
w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</ST1:PERSONNAME><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
[NSRCA-discussion] Advancement: let's wrap it up</span></font><O:P></O:P></p>
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style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"><a
href="http://www.modelaircraft.org/PDF-files/333.pdf">http://www.modelaircraft.org/PDF-files/333.pdf</a></span></font><O:P></O:P></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Here's the rules proposal
form. If we can get one or three people to fill it in and post it for
review here maybe this discussion will result in something.</span></font><O:P></O:P></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Here's a summary of what
I think I've read (beware of severe summarizing):</span></font><O:P></O:P></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Advancement rules based
on hard numbers (like 100 points) are wrong because some people go to
more contests or some districts have more pilots. A system based on
percentages would be better. We've heard a comparison to a national
average (need an implementable procedure to accurately compute this),
force up of the district champs, and accumulating the raw scores for
the year into averages that can be compared.</span></font><O:P></O:P></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">We've also heard of
simply tracking and publishing points and letting heckling take care of
the rest (really need a 3 or 4 year window on this to allow one to
level off before masters). Note: this was the way it was 4 years ago,
but that was before every district could post points on their website.
It didn't work then.</span></font><O:P></O:P></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Several recommendations
to increase the points above 100, but this is really just an adjustment
for the size of the district so if this can be modified into a way to
calculate an advancement number by district, maybe it could work.</span></font><O:P></O:P></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">--Lance</span></font><O:P></O:P></p>
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