[NSRCA-discussion] Advancement: let's wrap it up

Wed Aug 15 15:30:38 AKDT 2007

Partly, the individual is responsible, but the AMA makes no claim to track points. Here is the section of the Competition Regulations covering points tracking:

"8.3. Each Pattern contestant is
responsible for maintaining an accurate record of
his own classification points. Handy wallet size
Classification Advancement Record forms are
available upon request from AMA HQ; please
include a preaddressed and stamped return
envelope. CDs of meets having RC Pattern
events are also provided with a small supply of
such forms."

FWIW, I have never received any cards with a contest sanction.

Bob Kane
getterflash at yahoo.com

----- Original Message ----
From: Matthew Frederick <mjfrederick at cox.net>
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Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 6:34:57 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Advancement: let's wrap it up

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I was under the impression that contest results 
were forwarded to the AMA by the CD, and that it was incumbent on the AMA and 
the individual to track their own AMA points. Am I mistaken?

Matt

  ----- Original Message ----- 

  From: 
  Fred 
  Huber 

  To: NSRCA Mailing List 

  Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 12:16 
  PM

  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 
  Advancement: let's wrap it up

  Actually... we need to include non-NSRCA Pattern flyers in 
  the recordskeeping if there is going to be a points system forcing moving 
  up.

  No recordkeeping...then the system is 
  meaningless.

  Recordkeeping only for NSRCA members = members end up at a 
  disadvantage to the sandbaggers who aren't members.

  NSRCA is the Special Interest Group REPREASENTING Pattern to 
  the AMA... but membership is not required to comnpete in Pattern.  

  You can petition the AMA to require membership to compete in 
  Pattern (lead balloon)  

  or 

  you can just deal with the paperwork involved in handling 
  the point system for non-paying Pattern flyers... 

  or 

  you can just drop the point system totally.

  Right now... there are 2 reasons for people to join 
  NSRCA:  Support the SIG.... or... attempt to get the District champ 
  awards.

  The old 80%/20% rule applies... 20% of the active members do 
  all the work so that the other 80% can enjoy the hobby.

    ----- Original Message ----- 

    From: 
    twtaylor 

    To: 'NSRCA Mailing List' 

    Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 6:18 
    AM

    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 
    Advancement: let's wrap it up

    Lance one minor 
    point that would kill the District Champion idea, Not all pattern fliers are 
    NSRCA members. We’d have to include non-members in the point chase and 
    that’s not fair.

    From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
    [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Lance Van 
    Nostrand
Sent: Wednesday, 
    August 15, 2007 12:59 AM
To: NSRCA 
    Mailing List
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 
    Advancement: let's wrap it up

    http://www.modelaircraft.org/PDF-files/333.pdf

    Here's the rules proposal 
    form.  If we can get one or three people to fill it in and post it for 
    review here maybe this discussion will result in 
    something.

    Here's a summary of what I think 
    I've read (beware of severe summarizing):

    Advancement rules based on hard 
    numbers (like 100 points) are wrong because some people go to more contests 
    or some districts have more pilots.  A system based on percentages 
    would be better.  We've heard a comparison to a national average (need 
    an implementable procedure to accurately compute this), force up of the 
    district champs, and accumulating the raw scores for the year into averages 
    that can be compared.

    We've also heard of simply 
    tracking and publishing points and letting heckling take care of the rest 
    (really need a 3 or 4 year window on this to allow one to level off before 
    masters).  Note: this was the way it was 4 years ago, but that was 
    before every district could post points on their website.  It didn't 
    work then.

    Several recommendations to 
    increase the points above 100, but this is really just an adjustment for the 
    size of the district so if this can be modified into a way to calculate an 
    advancement number by district, maybe it could 
    work.

    --Lance

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