[NSRCA-discussion] More flexibility in class selection?
White, Chris
chris at ssd.fsi.com
Wed Aug 15 14:38:17 AKDT 2007
A person might consider another benefit to flying Masters in
consideration of learning is that we get judged more frequently by FAI
pilots. ( in my neck of the woods.) Not only do we have some tough
pilots to fly against, we've got good judges too.... (not meaning
disrespect toward very competent judges in lower classes...cause some
of you are very thorough....but when a guy is at the FAI level, you
have a pretty good idea that they know what they should be looking
for....)
Chris
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Why does this apply to every class except Masters??
Aren't there better flyers available to learn from in FAI? :)
John
Ken Thompson wrote:
Now THAT'S what I'm talkin' about!!!
You will only get better if you do one of two things,
1. Fly against people that are better than you, obviously paying
attention
to their flights.
2. Have a pilot that is better than you willing to coach you.
I've been blessed with having both...any contest I go to in D6 will have
pilots that are better
than I am, and I have Archie as a coach to help me through the little
things.
BTW: I fully expect to be flying Masters in 6 or 7 years. That will
put me
at 54 or 55 years old when I make the move.
Personally I have no desire to go to contests and come in 1st or 2nd on
a
regular basis, AND stay in that
class...it simply won't make me a better pilot. My goal is to get
better
every year, with hard work and patience,
it will happen.
Ken
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I take exception to this. FAI and Masters are not related. I
have
been flying masters several years, finishing as high as second
this
year at the NATS. Yes, I'm coming back next year in Masters. I
have
a goal of winning the nats before I move up. I can be
realistic...at
some point with enough practice I might be able to crack the
finals in
FAI at the NATS, but I'm smart enough to know that realistically
winning FAI isnt going to happen. I would also argue that the
guys
that have been flying masters for years, just raise the bar. I
know
in different areas I've flown around the country, these are the
guys
that make guys fly better. Show up in District 6 sometime, and
fly
Masters...you'll definitely get better. 6 of the top 10 at the
NATS
were D6. The means, guy that finished in the top 10 at the NATS
in
what is probably top to bottom the most competitive class have
trouble
getting wood at a local contest. I can promise you though, the
guys
that fly here have greatly
improved their flying than they would have in other parts of the
country. Glen has set the bar here for a while, and I know the
other
guys are pushing to catch him, and if you look now at local
contest
scores, it is getting closer. At any given time down here in
D6, I'd
say 6 or 7 guys can take a round in masters. Now that makes it
fun. I
know when I was flying in D4 last year. Every contest I went
to, was
Verne K, and Steve Miller....I knew I'd better put up great
flights
every flight and this makes you a better pilot. I think you
should
try moving up...take a year of the low 900's, and then see where
you
are the following year. I bet you start moving up and before
you know
it you would be right there in the mix. This is a competitive
activity and the only way you improve is flying against people
who are
better than you.
Arch
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Date: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 3:41 pm
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] More flexibility in class
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Ron,
I take exception to those rules. There should be only
one
destination
class. Why shouldn't there be a mandatory move from
Masters to
F3A? They
are just two patterns with a natural progression as
there is
between
Advanced and Masters.
Parking and sandbagging is a mental state, not a rules
violation.
john
Ron Van Putte wrote:
The Master class is the top AMA class and there
is no mandatory
move
from the Master class to F3A, so how can there
be "parkers" or
"sandbaggers"?
Ron Van Putte
On Aug 15, 2007, at 2:10 PM, John Gayer wrote:
how about changing the AMA advancemant
rule and keep it very
simple?>> Your first contest of the year will determine
your class
for the
year. You may go up one class at any
time during the year but
may not
go back down during the year. At the
start of the next year you
may
drop back one class at your option, stay
where you are or go up
a class.
This is simple enough that your fellow
competitiors will know
if you
are following the rules. It will also be
up to your fellow
competitiors to insure that you are not
sandbagging.
I also feel strongly that sandbagging in
Masters should not be
allowed. If you disregard Sportsman,
then half of the classes
allow
parking. Obviously, F3A has to be a
parking lot but I see no
reason
to allow this behavior in Masters. As a
competant advanced
pilot of
somewhat advanced years, I have very
little interest in moving
to
Masters in order to spend the rest of my
pattern years trying
to
break 900 against the parkers.
I fail to see the logic in having two
destination classes.
Shouldn't
we all aspire to progress to FAI? The
current Masters schedule
is
designed as a stepping stone to Masters.
Let's use it that way.
John Gayer
NSRCA 632
BUDDYonRC at aol.com wrote:
There was a proposal on the last rules
cycle that would allow
a
person to move up and test his ability
then move back if he
had not
attained the skills required for the
higher class. I
personally
think it is a good idea and I also see
no need for the point
system
like someone said if someone abuses the
privilege we can
solicit
Earl and four other guys his size to
take him behind the barn
and
splain to him why he will be moving up.
I believe peer
pressure is
all the control we need.
I think this is worth a try.
For those who have the ability and
desire to achieve a spot at
the
top I don't see that we have a problem.
Buddy
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