<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">Partly, the individual is responsible, but the AMA makes no claim to track points. Here is the section of the Competition Regulations covering points tracking:<br><br>"8.3. Each Pattern contestant is<br>responsible for maintaining an accurate record of<br>his own classification points. Handy wallet size<br>Classification Advancement Record forms are<br>available upon request from AMA HQ; please<br>include a preaddressed and stamped return<br>envelope. CDs of meets having RC Pattern<br>events are also provided with a small supply of<br>such forms."<br><br>FWIW, I have never received any cards with a contest sanction.<br><div> </div>Bob Kane<br>getterflash@yahoo.com<div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><br><div style="font-family: times new
roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">----- Original Message ----<br>From: Matthew Frederick <mjfrederick@cox.net><br>To: NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 6:34:57 PM<br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Advancement: let's wrap it up<br><br>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I was under the impression that contest results
were forwarded to the AMA by the CD, and that it was incumbent on the AMA and
the individual to track their own AMA points. Am I mistaken?</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Matt</font></div>
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<a rel="nofollow" title="fhhuber@clearwire.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:fhhuber@clearwire.net">Fred
Huber</a> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</a> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 15, 2007 12:16
PM</div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Advancement: let's wrap it up</div>
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<div><font size="2">Actually... we need to include non-NSRCA Pattern flyers in
the recordskeeping if there is going to be a points system forcing moving
up.</font></div>
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<div><font size="2">No recordkeeping...then the system is
meaningless.</font></div>
<div><font size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font size="2">Recordkeeping only for NSRCA members = members end up at a
disadvantage to the sandbaggers who aren't members.</font></div>
<div><font size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font size="2">NSRCA is the Special Interest Group REPREASENTING Pattern to
the AMA... but membership is not required to comnpete in Pattern.
</font></div>
<div><font size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font size="2">You can petition the AMA to require membership to compete in
Pattern (lead balloon) </font></div>
<div><font size="2">or </font></div>
<div><font size="2">you can just deal with the paperwork involved in handling
the point system for non-paying Pattern flyers... </font></div>
<div><font size="2">or </font></div>
<div><font size="2">you can just drop the point system totally.</font></div>
<div><font size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font size="2">Right now... there are 2 reasons for people to join
NSRCA: Support the SIG.... or... attempt to get the District champ
awards.</font></div>
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<div><font size="2">The old 80%/20% rule applies... 20% of the active members do
all the work so that the other 80% can enjoy the hobby.</font></div>
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<a rel="nofollow" title="twtaylor@ftc-i.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:twtaylor@ftc-i.net">twtaylor</a>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'NSRCA Mailing List'</a>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 15, 2007 6:18
AM</div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Advancement: let's wrap it up</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">Lance one minor
point that would kill the District Champion idea, Not all pattern fliers are
NSRCA members. We¢d have to include non-members in the point chase and
that¢s not fair.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;"> <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Lance Van
Nostrand<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday,
August 15, 2007 12:59 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> NSRCA
Mailing List<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [NSRCA-discussion]
Advancement: let's wrap it up</span></font></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.modelaircraft.org/PDF-files/333.pdf">http://www.modelaircraft.org/PDF-files/333.pdf</a></span></font></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Here's the rules proposal
form. If we can get one or three people to fill it in and post it for
review here maybe this discussion will result in
something.</span></font></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Here's a summary of what I think
I've read (beware of severe summarizing):</span></font></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Advancement rules based on hard
numbers (like 100 points) are wrong because some people go to more contests
or some districts have more pilots. A system based on percentages
would be better. We've heard a comparison to a national average (need
an implementable procedure to accurately compute this), force up of the
district champs, and accumulating the raw scores for the year into averages
that can be compared.</span></font></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">We've also heard of simply
tracking and publishing points and letting heckling take care of the rest
(really need a 3 or 4 year window on this to allow one to level off before
masters). Note: this was the way it was 4 years ago, but that was
before every district could post points on their website. It didn't
work then.</span></font></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Several recommendations to
increase the points above 100, but this is really just an adjustment for the
size of the district so if this can be modified into a way to calculate an
advancement number by district, maybe it could
work.</span></font></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">--Lance</span></font></p></div></div>
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