[NSRCA-discussion] Avoidance

[Ron Van Putte]

On Oct 23, 2006, at 2:52 PM, Jay Marshall wrote:

> I asked this question of a CD once, and also some judges, and was  
> told that there was no escaping a downgrade if you took action to  
> avoid a possible midair. Pilots are also intensely concentrated on  
> their own aircraft and may not see another until it is too late to  
> make a decision on which way to jump. This is why I advocate flying  
> slightly intersecting tracks, say 10 – 20 degrees, rather than  
> parallel tracks at contests.

This is a 'sticky' area that requires a good CD.  The rules state  
(this is from memory) that a contestant has the option to repeat an  
attempt, if his flight is interrupted due to circumstances beyond his  
control, but only for the maneuver affected and subsequent  
maneuvers.  I think that, in avoiding a midair collision, the pilot  
shows some, but not complete control in the situation and the rules  
still warrants his being allowed to continue the flight, starting  
with the affected maneuver.

Ron Van Putte
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> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bob Richards
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> Fred,
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> I agree 100%.
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> Bob R.
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> Fred Huber <fhhuber at clearwire.net> wrote:
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> Problem here is... one pilot may not see the other and the one who  
> does see the other may be the lower class pilot, who has had it  
> ground in that he MUST NOT DEVIATE.
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> I've heard discussions about close encounters... and what I hear  
> is... "the planes look closer to each other than they are"... "the  
> higher class is always further out"... "ignore the other plane."
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> So... what I keep hearing is exactly opposed to any attempt at  
> avoidance for any reason.  Stick to your maneuver sequence at all  
> costs.
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> There is no allowance given in the rules for mid-air avoidance...  
> thus the way it is now, whoever flinches can throw out his flight  
> because he's going to get a 0... or maybe a couple of zeros for  
> blowing the maneuver to avoid a mid-air.  (unless the judges would  
> deviate and say "Avoid him and then refly the maneuver") You can  
> bet that 99%+ will wait for the other guy to flinch, especially if  
> they are having a good flight.
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> So.. the guy who might be willing to give up his score and avoid...  
> may be the one who doesn't see the mid-air comming and you have the  
> other guy fixated on score... expecting the other guy to get out of  
> his way... SMACK.  So... maybe the pilot who saw it comming  
> "desrrves it".. does that make the other guy who didn't see it  
> comming deserve it?
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> Give the pilots indication they won't be penlized for preventing 2  
> planes from occupying the same place at the same time... and the  
> guy who sees it comming will be more willing to prevent the collision.
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> As long as you have 2 flight lines on the same field flying in  
> essentially the same box... you'll have mid-airs come up.  Yes,  
> USUALLY the higher class pilot flys a bit further out and thus  
> there's little risk.  But some lower class guys learn the box is  
> bigger if you fly further out...  More time between maneuvers...  
> less rush... Easier to be smooth...  And the rules even say you  
> need to be out that far.... (most Sportsman pilots fly a closer  
> line than the prescribed distance out... from what I have observed)
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