[NSRCA-discussion] rookie judge

[Ken Thompson]

Though I believe it appears that some of these things might save time on the line, I don't remember seeing any difference in anyone's takeof and landing, last season, because it wasn't judged.  Also if you think about it, how much time does a procedure turn actually take?  I going to take a guess at a maximum of 15 seconds.  If I'm right, that's about 7.5 minutes if you have 30 pilots at a contest.  That is a total of 45 minutes for the 6 rounds.  We waste one heck of a lot more time than that waiting for pilots to get to the line that weren't paying attention to the flight order.  That is the real time killer...

Side note:  I like the procedure turn, it gives me an absolute clean entry to the first pass, plus I'm used to it:-)

Ken
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Nat Penton 
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  Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 9:50 PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] rookie judge


  John
  I agree the procedure turn is a time and fuel waster. Someone said it was incorporated to prevent hotdogging. I have occasionally flown the procedure turn in knife edge since it is not a violation of the rules. I think a prescribed 180 after TO would be just as effective in eliminating hotdogging.

  One advantage of he procedure turn is that it gives a long trim pass. This is seldom needed, however and I think saving judge time is more important.              Nat
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: John Pavlick 
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    Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 7:07 PM
    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] rookie judge


    My understanding of the reason why we now score T.O. and landing as "0" OR "10" was to save time (?) and make the judges job easier (???). Well, last season we spent a lot of time at pilot's meetings talking about how to "0" something that didn't fit the rulebook description. Or when exactly do we call "Takeoff complete"? It was silly. The judges still need to watch the Entire takeoff and landing sequence so again, what's the point. If you wanted to save time on T.O. - don't do the freaking procedure turn. Takeoff, turn 180 downwind, check trim, turn around and get in the box. If you're a judge, assume that if it got into the box it did so while conforming to the "rules". "10" - Done. The procedure turn is cool and it looks great, but it takes more time to do, AND you spend more time in the overlapping region of the other flight line (depending on the wind direction and which line you're on of course). If you're going to go through all of that, then you should at least get a good score for doing it well. Just my opinion.

    Also funny how now that electric is becoming more popular, we're relaxing the rules about the airplane standing still before the takeoff roll. Pretty soon it won't even matter - well, it will for some of us...
    John Pavlick
    http://www.idseng.com 



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    From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Stuart Chale
    Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 9:12 AM
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      Yes, it definitely took some skill to get the plane to rotate and stay on the ground with the nose gear off the ground before smoothly taking off.  Same for the landing with the nose gear up for a bit on rollout.

       

      Anyone know the thinking behind 0 to 10?  Seems that flying judged on precision would not include a perfect score on a takeoff just jerked into the sky.

       

      Stuart

       


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      From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of GSailwhale at aol.com
      Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 8:41 AM
      To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
      Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] rookie judge

       

      If we go back to judging takeoffs and landings, then I can go back to tricycle gear and retracts......cool!!!!!

      Greg G



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