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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Though I believe it appears that some of these
things might save time on the line, I don't remember seeing any difference in
anyone's takeof and landing, last season, because it wasn't judged.
Also if you think about it, how much time does a procedure turn actually
take? I going to take a guess at a maximum of 15 seconds. If I'm
right, that's about 7.5 minutes if you have 30 pilots at a contest. That
is a total of 45 minutes for the 6 rounds. We waste one heck of a lot more
time than that waiting for pilots to get to the line that weren't paying
attention to the flight order. That is the real time
killer...</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Side note: I like the procedure turn, it
gives me an absolute clean entry to the first pass, plus I'm used to
it:-)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ken</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=natpenton@centurytel.net href="mailto:natpenton@centurytel.net">Nat
Penton</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, March 25, 2006 9:50
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] rookie
judge</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>John</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I agree the procedure turn is a time and fuel
waster. Someone said it was incorporated to prevent hotdogging. I have
occasionally flown the procedure turn in knife edge since it is not a
violation of the rules. I think a prescribed 180 after TO would be just as
effective in eliminating hotdogging.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>One advantage of he procedure turn is that
it gives a long trim pass. This is seldom needed, however and I think saving
judge time is more
important.
Nat</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
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<A title=jpavlick@idseng.com href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com">John
Pavlick</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, March 25, 2006 7:07
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] rookie
judge</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=260014800-26032006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>My
understanding of the reason why we now score T.O. and landing as "0" OR "10"
was to save time (?) and make the judges job easier (???). Well, last season
we spent a lot of time at pilot's meetings talking about how to
"0" something that didn't fit the rulebook description. Or when exactly do
we call "Takeoff complete"? It was silly. The judges still need to watch the
Entire takeoff and landing sequence so again, what's the point. If you
wanted to save time on T.O. - don't do the freaking procedure turn. Takeoff,
turn 180 downwind, check trim, turn around and get in the box. If you're a
judge, assume that if it got into the box it did so while conforming to the
"rules". "10" - Done. The procedure turn is cool and it looks great, but it
takes more time to do, AND you spend more time in the overlapping region of
the other flight line (depending on the wind direction and which line you're
on of course). If you're going to go through all of that, then you should at
least get a good score for doing it well. Just my
opinion.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=260014800-26032006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Also funny how now that electric is becoming more popular, we're
relaxing the rules about the airplane standing still before the takeoff
roll. Pretty soon it won't even matter - well, it will for some of
us...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><FONT size=2>John Pavlick<BR><A href="http://www.idseng.com"
target=_blank>http://www.idseng.com</A></FONT> </P></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=260014800-26032006> </SPAN>-----Original
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Stuart
Chale<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, March 25, 2006 9:12 AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'NSRCA
Mailing List'<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] rookie
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Yes, it
definitely took some skill to get the plane to rotate and stay on the
ground with the nose gear off the ground before smoothly taking off.
Same for the landing with the nose gear up for a bit on
rollout.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Anyone know the
thinking behind 0 to 10? Seems that flying judged on precision would
not include a perfect score on a takeoff just jerked into the
sky.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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</SPAN></B>GSailwhale@aol.com<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Saturday, March 25, 2006 8:41
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR><B><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If we go back to
judging takeoffs and landings, then I can go back to tricycle gear and
retracts......cool!!!!!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Greg
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