[NSRCA-discussion] Cost-participation-or some such stuff

Tue Feb 28 11:52:04 AKST 2006

I think that Louise is still living in the Orlando area. Ed's gone a good ten years, now.
She sure is good people.

Dean Pappas 
Sr. Design Engineer 
Kodeos Communications 
111 Corporate Blvd. 
South Plainfield, N.J. 07080 
(908) 222-7817 phone 
(908) 222-2392 fax 
d.pappas at kodeos.com 

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of mike mueller
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 3:37 PM
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 Ed Izzo that brings back some great memories. What was his wife's name. She was his caller and always by his side. You don't see that very often anymore. 

Dean Pappas <d.pappas at kodeos.com> wrote: 

And the late Ed Izzo competed in Pattern with a stand-way-off P-40. He won with it, too.

Dean Pappas 
Sr. Design Engineer 
Kodeos Communications 
111 Corporate Blvd. 
South Plainfield, N.J. 07080 
(908) 222-7817 phone 
(908) 222-2392 fax 
d.pappas at kodeos.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Bill Glaze
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 3:24 PM
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Hmmmm........ I can remember hearing about Red St. Aubin winning a pattern contest in LAX with a Corsair (yes, a model of the WW2 airplane) --of course, I DO have a couple of years on y'all.
Bill Glaze

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Mike  <mailto:kerlock at comcast.net> Hester 
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Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 11:01 AM
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Your P-51 fetish is showing again =)

-Mike

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From: Gray  <mailto:gfowler at raytheon.com> E Fowler 
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Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 10:47 AM
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I have never flown non turnaround pattern. When I first got in to pattern I saw all the comments flyin' around about how turnaround kills attendance. To this day I cannot figure out why the older guys (which if you flew non turn around you were either very young then or old now) wank so much about this change. Perhaps the decline of pattern from its heyday has more to do with with other RC interest than stinkin' turnaround changes. When I was young, we had 3 TV channnels, and when MASH came on EVERYONE watched, unless Nixon was giving us a speech, which was on all 3 channels, in that case we were all screwed.....Would MASH be so popular today competing with 150 other channels, INCLUDING "The Food Channel????!!!!!"  I think not!  Learn how to make a quiche......or MASH. As you can see this is quite a quandary. 

I will say that when I first investigated pattern and found out everyone had $550 engines instead of my $99 two stroke-I was flabergasted. I still might be. 

To me turnaround is the coolest and not the problem.....when does this argument end? I would guess in another 10 years, because at that time all that flew NON turnaround will be dead or quit due to age. 

When I started Ed Hurt was flying Masters at age 75......He told me alot but NEVE! R told me that turnaround sucked........ 

Billion Dollar Batteries, Electric gear motors, $650 engines and pristine "works of art" scare the average sport flyer (by showing/thinking they cannot do that) much more than turnaround...... 

Scenario #56.....Sport flyer thinking about pattern......Lets see, No problem with powerplants costing 5-15X of my OS.45, just won't feed the kids for a week, 300 hours to build and paint a flying master piece, and of course $2500 for that kit -semi arf deal, then I gotta learn turnaround too!!!! No WAY.....Dealing with the French for the plane was bad enough, now I gotta learn turnaound too????...I am out for sure...... 

Now I am off in search of the perfect P-51 lookin'pattern plane.............I think that that bottom air scoop makes for better Knife Edges, increases rudder authority, slows the plane down better, increasing smoothness and gracefulness (thus increasing scores), makes snap entrances better, AND better throttle response (far superior to ANY electric). I conducted these tests myself, collected data so I know I am right. I cannot believe that the rest of you have not seen the wisdom of a P-51 pattern plane. No wonder you find turnaround so difficult.

Gray Fowler
Principal Chemical Engineer
Composites Engineering 
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