[NSRCA-discussion] Cost-participation-or some such stuff

[dwaynenancy]

Cliff Werick fly a Chipmunk in the World Championship.  Didn't win 
though.  Phil Kraft did with his Kwik Fli.   Dwayne

Dean Pappas wrote:

> And the late Ed Izzo competed in Pattern with a stand-way-off P-40. He 
> won with it, too.
>  
>
> Dean Pappas
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>     -----Original Message-----
>     *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>     [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]*On Behalf Of
>     *Bill Glaze
>     *Sent:* Tuesday, February 28, 2006 3:24 PM
>     *To:* NSRCA Mailing List
>     *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cost-participation-or some such
>     stuff
>
>     Hmmmm........ I can remember hearing about Red St. Aubin winning a
>     pattern contest in LAX with a Corsair (yes, a model of the WW2
>     airplane) --of course, I DO have a couple of years on y'all.
>     Bill Glaze
>
>         ----- Original Message -----
>         *From:* Mike Hester <mailto:kerlock at comcast.net>
>         *To:* NSRCA Mailing List
>         <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>         *Sent:* Tuesday, February 28, 2006 11:01 AM
>         *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cost-participation-or some
>         such stuff
>
>         Your P-51 fetish is showing again =)
>          
>         -Mike
>
>             ----- Original Message -----
>             *From:* Gray E Fowler <mailto:gfowler at raytheon.com>
>             *To:* NSRCA Mailing List
>             <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>             *Sent:* Tuesday, February 28, 2006 10:47 AM
>             *Subject:* [NSRCA-discussion] Cost-participation-or some
>             such stuff
>
>
>             I have never flown non turnaround pattern. When I first
>             got in to pattern I saw all the comments flyin' around
>             about how turnaround kills attendance. To this day I
>             cannot figure out why the older guys (which if you flew
>             non turn around you were either very young then or old
>             now) wank so much about this change. Perhaps the decline
>             of pattern from its heyday has more to do with with other
>             RC interest than stinkin' turnaround changes. When I was
>             young, we had 3 TV channnels, and when MASH came on
>             EVERYONE watched, unless Nixon was giving us a speech,
>             which was on all 3 channels, in that case we were all
>             screwed.....Would MASH be so popular today competing with
>             150 other channels, INCLUDING "The Food Channel????!!!!!"
>              I think not!  Learn how to make a quiche......or MASH. As
>             you can see this is quite a quandary.
>
>             I will say that when I first investigated pattern and
>             found out everyone had $550 engines instead of my $99 two
>             stroke-I was flabergasted. I still might be.
>
>             To me turnaround is the coolest and not the
>             problem.....when does this argument end? I would guess in
>             another 10 years, because at that time all that flew NON
>             turnaround will be dead or quit due to age.
>
>             When I started Ed Hurt was flying Masters at age
>             75......He told me alot but NEVER told me that turnaround
>             sucked........
>
>             Billion Dollar Batteries, Electric gear motors, $650
>             engines and pristine "works of art" scare the average
>             sport flyer (by showing/thinking they cannot do that) much
>             more than turnaround......
>
>             Scenario #56.....Sport flyer thinking about
>             pattern......Lets see, No problem with powerplants costing
>             5-15X of my OS.45, just won't feed the kids for a week,
>             300 hours to build and paint a flying master piece, and of
>             course $2500 for that kit -semi arf deal, then I gotta
>             learn turnaround too!!!! No WAY.....Dealing with the
>             French for the plane was bad enough, now I gotta learn
>             turnaound too????...I am out for sure......
>
>             Now I am off in search of the perfect P-51 lookin'pattern
>             plane.............I think that that bottom air scoop makes
>             for better Knife Edges, increases rudder authority, slows
>             the plane down better, increasing smoothness and
>             gracefulness (thus increasing scores), makes snap
>             entrances better, AND better throttle response (far
>             superior to ANY electric). I conducted these tests myself,
>             collected data so I know I am right. I cannot believe that
>             the rest of you have not seen the wisdom of a P-51 pattern
>             plane. No wonder you find turnaround so difficult.
>
>             Gray Fowler
>             Principal Chemical Engineer
>             Composites Engineering
>
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