[NSRCA-dist8] [External] Re: Radio set-up

Tue Oct 26 07:36:50 AKDT 2021

I don't want too much elevator or rudder in spins as the spin can become
too deep (too tight of a spin). If your spins become too tight, reducing
rudder will help a lot. Keep in mind, I'm spinning with full (normal flying
rate) aileron, which some people find unacceptable (use of aileron in
spins).

For snaps, I want full (high rate) ailerons (or a hair less). I sand my
aileron bevels to get about 26 to 28 degrees of throw. I know first had,
one big time toy airplane pilot that likes 30 or more.

On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 8:52 AM Karl Watts <Karl.Watts at saintalphonsus.org>
wrote:

> Hmmm, "I spin at normal flying rates" – You do not use a little more
> elevator to make it a little more "flat"?  Starts to get into the
> conversation of what a good spin looks like.
>
>
>
> "For snaps, I want full or close to full aileron, a hair less rudder and
> elevator from normal flying rates." – Full aileron, like 100% of throw or
> full aileron of the normal throw rate?
>
>
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> *From:* NSRCA-dist8 <nsrca-dist8-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> *On Behalf Of *Patrick
> Harris via NSRCA-dist8
> *Sent:* Monday, October 25, 2021 11:40 AM
> *To:* Lyle Laughery <pattern.laughery at gmail.com>; AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY <
> nsrca-dist8 at lists.nsrca.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-dist8] [External] Re: Radio set-up
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> Karl,
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>
> For spins I switch to full up and down elevator. I flip the switch before
> spin entry to be able to get the nose up for the stall. Once it stalls and
> the nose drops, I flip the switch off as I don't want the full elevator for
> the spin. I spin at normal flying rates.
>
>
>
> For snaps, I want full or close to full aileron, a hair less rudder and
> elevator from normal flying rates.
>
>
>
> For Advanced you will be fine with just dual rates, one for snaps and
> maybe one for spin entry. You will only have to flip one switch one or two
> times at most in Advanced.
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>
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> On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 11:09 AM Lyle Laughery via NSRCA-dist8 <
> nsrca-dist8 at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
> I use three switches, one for down elevator for right rudder ,point and
> slow roll and one for high rate elevator for spin and then switch both of
> for landing.Then final switch for throttle cut after landing.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 9:59 AM Bob Crump via NSRCA-dist8 <
> nsrca-dist8 at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
> I’ve tried all the above, rate switching, mode switching and I invariably
> forget to flip the switch. I’m in Jim’s camp now. After several flights on
> a new airplane I put in enough exponential to get a satisfactory snap and
> go with it. One change recently was to switch out any mixing when setting
> up for landing. I even forget that sometimes. I would use whatever your
> most comfortable with, Switching versus expo.
>
> Regards, Bob
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Oct 25, 2021, at 9:40 AM, Karl Watts via NSRCA-dist8 <
> nsrca-dist8 at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
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> 
>
> Thanks for feedback Pat and Jim.  Maybe should give more information.
> Looking at moving to Advanced next year.  Snaps and spins will be new.
> Trying to determine which will be better a rate switch or flight condition
> switch.  Guess I will need to try them and figure it out, but does not hurt
> to know what others are doing.    (Pat, just discovered the Phase Set on my
> Graupner MZ-24 this weekend)  Also what kind of throws do you use between
> normal flight, snaps and spins?
>
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> *From:* Patrick Harris <harris7148 at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, October 25, 2021 9:21 AM
> *To:* Karl Watts <Karl.Watts at saintalphonsus.org>; AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY <
> nsrca-dist8 at lists.nsrca.org>
> *Cc:* Sean Mersh <mershs at hotmail.com>; James HILLER <jnhiller at comcast.net>
> *Subject:* [External] Re: [NSRCA-dist8] Radio set-up
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> I use both. I use a rate switch for snaps and spins. I use a condition
> switch (Phase Set in Graupner MZ32 and MZ16) Phase set will allow different
> servo sub trims and end points. For instance.....I use a Phase Set called
> "Landing". When I flip that (Landing) switch. it removes the down elevator
> to low throttle mix, gives me a hair of up elevator trim, and increases the
> up elevator throw a bit. Phase Set is like having two radios in one (at
> least that's how the MZ32 and MZ16 work). Your Mileage May Vary.
>
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> On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 8:31 AM Karl Watts via NSRCA-dist8 <
> nsrca-dist8 at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
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> Rate switch or flight condition switch?
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