[NSRCA-dist8] Classic Pattern
Gordon Anderson
gaa at owt.com
Wed Feb 19 19:33:58 AKST 2014
Here is some input from Tony in D7 that may help:
Hi Gordon,
Mike forwarded to me your questions about Classic.
In this region, we feel Classic is more about the old-style patterns then about technicalities regarding models. We have allowed pretty much anything, but would definitely frown on a 2-meter pattern model entering. But we have had 62" Osiris', Sequences, Elements, and the like enter. Models like the Venus or Venus II have flown. In the Pre-Novice and Novice it is much more about getting guys to do it. So we have allowed almost anything in those classes. In advanced there have been mostly "Classic" models. And in Masters all have been Classic.
As to the exact definition of a "Classic" model, we have stayed away from doing much there. Same with engine/power systems. Since companies like O.S. don't even make a .61 anymore, we haven't made that distinction. As I said, much more about the flying then the models.
I hope this helps! If you have any more questions feel free!
Tony Frackowiak
On Feb 19, 2014, at 5:37 PM, J N Hiller <jnhiller at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Yes!
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> Eliminating the year eliminates the need for certification or differences of opinion.
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> I think there were several 120 designs such as the 2 plus 2 which were approximately a 2M airplane flying prior to TA. Maybe a NATS equipment list exists from about 1989. If I get bored tonight maybe I’ll look fore one.
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> I don’t know that I’d encourage the Option-120 although it certainly could have existed in the 80’s, it didn’t. However the 60 size Option-3, a simple fixed gear design did and it flew well with a muffler or piped 60 / 61 or 91 four stroke.
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> Jim
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-dist8-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-dist8-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Patrick Harris
> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 5:08 PM
> To: AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY
> Cc: Gary McClellan; Ray Gauthier; Arthur F. Kelly; Rudy; Rick Bergeron
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-dist8] Classic Pattern
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> Jim,
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> That's pretty much in line with what Ray had to say, which is to limit it to "aircraft designed to fly pattern that were originally intended for glow engines. These same period aircraft can be currently powered by electric motors.
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> Is this in line with your thinking?
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> This eliminates the "year" issue.
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> Gary did bring up an issue with 120 sized planes like the Option 120. Although not truly classic, these type of planes were indeed used in pre turnaround were they not?
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> Pat
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> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 4:59 PM, J N Hiller <jnhiller at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Pat I gave that some thought last night.
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> Traditional classic / ballistic aircraft were GLOW POWER designs. There may be an electric power exception but very rare and specific.
> We were to restrict it to these period glow power designs ore electric conversions.
> Just a thought!
> Jim
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-dist8-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-dist8-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Patrick Harris
> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 3:41 PM
> To: Gail & Robert Walker
> Cc: Gary McClellan; AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY; Ray Gauthier; Arthur F. Kelly; Rudy; Rick Bergeron
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-dist8] Classic Pattern
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> Bob,
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> Under the laid out guide line, I would say Yes it would be OK, but the intent is to keep it to Old School. To me a 3D ARF of modern design does not fit the "Old School" criteria. This stuff isn't in stone so we can still adjust as we go. Any thoughts from everyone on how to write this is most appreciated. Like Jim, said we don't want to alienate anyone, but we do need some sort of guideline.
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> Pat
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> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Gail & Robert Walker <grbwii at comcast.net> wrote:
> Pat,
> Just checking, but would that mean that I could use my electric Katanna(SP)? You say it fly at Dusters the other day. I would have to tone the throws down a bit, but it seems to fit your specs?
> Bob W
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Patrick Harris
> To: Ray Gauthier
> Cc: AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY ; Brad Burden ; Bob Walker ; Rudy ; Rick Bergeron ; alan wellentin ;Arthur F. Kelly ; Bill Carder ; Gary McClellan
> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 12:21 PM
> Subject: Re: Classic Pattern
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> Very cool
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> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 12:19 PM, Raymond C. Gauthier <rc.gauthier at comcast.net> wrote:
> A pic of the Dalotel is attached. Pretty cool eh?
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> I’m hoping I have something old hanging in the garage that would fill the bill. I know I have a scale French aerobatic airplane, a Dalotel, which is the right size and pretty much in flyable (wet power) condition. When I’m back in town I’ll have to dig it out and see how it flies the Novice pattern.
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> Ray
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> From: Patrick Harris [mailto:harris7148 at gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 12:53 PM
> To: Ray Gauthier
> Cc: AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY; Brad Burden; Bob Walker; Rudy; Rick Bergeron; alan wellentin; Arthur F. Kelly; Bill Carder; Gary McClellan
> Subject: Re: Classic Pattern
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> Ray,
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> Yes. By saying 60 size that pretty much limits you to pre 80's planes. Are we going to turn away a guy that walks up with a little Osiris? The way it's written, no we wouldn't turn him away, but I think this is going to be a non issue or infrequent if at all. . We need to keep this real simple and have fun.
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> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Raymond C. Gauthier <rc.gauthier at comcast.net> wrote:
> Does no year restrictions mean any airplane that fits the size and power guidelines?
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> From: Patrick Harris [mailto:harris7148 at gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 11:47 AM
> To: AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY; Brad Burden; Bob Walker; Ray Gauthier; Rudy; Rick Bergeron; alan wellentin; Arthur F. Kelly; Bill Carder; Gary McClellan
> Subject: Classic Pattern
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> Just a quick update. I have had a few question from a couple of CD's in regards to Classic pattern this year. The bottom line is we do this is to have fun and we don't want to load this up with a bunch of rules.
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> Long story short, here are the only criteria. Keep in mind we will likely tweak this as we go:
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> No year restrictions
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> 60 class planes or smaller
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> 6 cell maximum for electrics
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> That's it. We will fly two schedules this year which are Novice and Advanced which can be found here;
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> http://www.classicpatternassociation.com/uploads/CPA_call_card.pdf
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> At some of our contest we will fly classic Saturday and Sunday in the mornings due to sun issues (Woodburn, Redmond). At fields like Molalla that we can fly turnaround by 8:00, we will fly classic on Saturday after turnaround and it's the discretion of the CD to fly classic on Sunday. My guess is for those fields we will fly classic on Saturday only to get guys on the road Sunday.
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> Also, Gordon has been at it again with a great new feature on the D8 site. No longer will you have to search in vane for upcoming events to preregister on the NSRCA calendar. All you will need to do is click on the 2014 schedule on the D8 site and you will find an info link and a link to the calendar for preregistration. By the way, it is a great help to the CD"s and Gordon to preregister to all contest you plan to attend. Again, my thanks to Gordon. Without him, we wouldn't be where we are.
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> If you have questions or concerns, email or give me a call.
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